Thirty Seconds Over Winterland

Track Listings

1. Have You Seen the Saucers

2. Feel So Good

3. Crown of Creation

4. When the Earth Moves Again

5. Milk Train

6. Trial By Fire

7. Twilight Double Leader

Tracks:

Have You Seen The Saucers
Feel So Good
Crown of Creation
When the Earth Moves Again
Milk Train
Trial By Fire
Twilight Double Leader

Customer Reviews:

Airplane rocks out on this one.......2006-08-25

By the time the SF concert recorded here took place in 1972 Airplane had gone through a lot of problems and personnel changes. The band was on it's last legs and this would be their last show under the Airplane name. But what a show it was! Drummer Spencer Dryden was out and vocalist Marty Balin had left to become a pop crooner. Balin and Dryden were replaced by David Frieberg and John Barbata and the late Papa John Creach had come aboard and added his soaring violin to the mix. All the changes made this the most musically accomplished and confident of all the Airplane and Starship lineups. From the opening of 'Have You Seen the Saucers' there's a thundering wall of sound that this band never had before or afterward. It's not just the musicianship of Barbata and Creach, Jorma Kaukonen was at his peak as a guitarist and songwriter at this moment and his songs like 'Feel So Good' and 'Trial by Fire' absolutely smoke. Since they're doing Kantner\Slick\Kaukonen\Creach material, Marty Balin's absence is actually a blessing. Frieberg does a better job of harmonizing with Paul and Grace and the spot on harmonies complement the wall of sound perfectly. It took the Airplane 5 or 6 years to evolve into a musically tight and powerful unit. It's a shame that when that finally happened Jorma left to continue his evolution in Hot Tuna and Airplane devolved into the generic arena rock of Jefferson Starship. This is how I'd prefer to remember them. If you're a connoisseur of great live rock n' roll you should own this.

Gotta have title for your collection!.......2005-07-24

I actually bought the cassette of this music in spring of 1973 when I was in Air Force basic training. Great music, not a clinker on it. If you love Jefferson Airplane, then you have to get this one. MEXICO is wonderful, I dont know of another source for this tune. Feel so good, classic, many others. BUY THIS ONE! You sure wont be sorry!

Where's the remastered version.......2005-06-07

we're all waiting for the remastered version with bonus cuts.
this is the only airplane cd yet to receive this treatment.
whats the record co. waiting for. lets go while we're young!

Fans Only.......2004-09-30

This would not be the place to be introduced to the Jefferson Airplane. Good in places, bad in others this album sounds like the spirit is gone & Jack and Jorma couldn't wait to get back to Hot Tuna. It starts off well with an awsome version of Have You Seen The Saucers that by it's self makes this album worthwhile, but declines rapidly. A really awful version of Crown Of Creation. Milk Train is good but adds nothing to the original. The rest is played by a band of professionals in a workmanlike but uninspired performance. If you like the Airplane don't skip this one, but get Bless It's Pointed Little Head and Live at The Fillmore first & don't listen to Thirty Seconds Over Winterland next to them.

Thirty Seconds Over Today's Music Business.......2003-06-20

Well....being a long-time Airplane/Grace Slick fan (including her better vocal cuts after-the-Airplane, like 'Fast Buck Freddie') I'd have to say that this CD has stood the test of time and gotten better with age. Why? Because, unfortunately, the basic music business of the last 15 or so years has been dominated by essentially awful, vanilla 'clone-vocalists' (female AND male) complete with homogenized unison singing and writhing to a boring R&B beat and instrumentation with virtually no imagination or musical interest (except for perhaps Madonna and earlier Janet Jackson) - unless you are a teeny-bopper in which case it's all for you, kid.

Anyway - I used to listen to this album a lot (like all of my Airplane releases) and at the same time in the early 1970's go see the "Jefferson Starship" (by then) and compare. Hmmm....back then the Starship live concerts sounded better than this CD. And that vintage of live concert Starship (circa 1975-78) did A LOT of Airplane material, which was thrilling. Then, now, as always - Kantner's semi-acoustic stuff with Grace's vocals and harmonies have been the hallmark of the best [later] Airplane/Starship recorded or live music; and Grace's singing in virtually every concert I ever saw (not to mention very carefully recorded albums post 1970) was *stunning.* By then she'd lost a lot of weight, too, and looked very appealing again on stage. Whereas the Starship lived on for years, gradually dying away under the various internal pressures, the Airplane returned in 1989 for a brief but welcome (to the REAL fans, anyway) tour. They were just AWESOME, in 1989, live on stage. Grace, especially.

So it's great to go back in the past and especially revisit the "30 Seconds" CD, as it conjures images of those long-gone, very special, really big and famous bands; those that were seriously musical and fun to follow in the media and on the road.

Tracks:

Have You Seen The Saucers
Feel So Good
Crown Of Creation
When The Earth Moves Agai
Milk Train
Trial By Fire
Twilight Double Leader

Album Details

Japanese 20Bit Remaster.

Average customer rating:

1973 Model 'Plane: Still Soaring
A GREAT audio picture on the last gathering of JA!!!
Good but not the best

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ASIN: B0009S8EYC
Release Date: 2005-08-09

Tracks:

Have You Seen the Saucers
Feel So Good
Crown of Creation
When the Earth Moves Again
Milk Train
Trial by Fire
Twilight Double Leader

Album Description

Japanese pressing. Limited edition reissue of the 1971 original release comes packaged in a paper sleeve. BMG. 2005.

Album Details

Japanese Limited Edition Issue in a Deluxe LP Sleeve Replica of the Original Album Artwork.

Customer Reviews:

1973 Model 'Plane: Still Soaring.......2007-03-08

What a truly long, strange trip it was - for this country, the emerging post-War "youth culture", and popular music during the decade following JFK's murder November 23 1963...The Beatles and Stones arrived in the US within a few short months and sparked the sort of seismic shifts in perception that only occur during what can be seen in retrospect as a true renaissence period. Musicians from the early '60s 'folk boom', or the best and brightest, were suddenly growing their hair and forming bands like the Byrds and the Music Machine. Few rock 'n roll bands so vividly reflected the glory and the contradictions of the era, with its giddy sense of boundless possibility - political, artistic, personal, cultural - as the Airplane. Songs like "Today" and "House At Pooneil Corner" and live performances such as those captured on "Bless Its Pointed Little Head" are as cathartic as any in rock 'n' roll ("I'm so full of love I could burst apart and start to cry," Marty Balin sang in '66 - and if you hear him you believe it) - all the joy and wonder and energy, articulated in music fueled by desire and that barely contained dread underlying it all. Later chaos and rage and betrayal became part of the mix, fantasies of escape, post-Altamont skepticism of what "we" can do "together", communication breakdowns followed by ennui and retreat. This headlong rush towards who knew what was vividly, convincingly transformed into artifacts released by Jefferson Airplane. From their formation in 1965 and throughout its career JA was a group functioning as an uneasy collective, with no real leaders but shifting power bases, everyone writing songs and all but Jack Casady singing. From the start these were arty, educated, intelligent artists, with strong personalites of various temperament, each with his/her own musical roots/values and (more importantly) vision of how and where the band should fly. But volatile as this mix always would be, JA could tap into an almost telepathic sense of singular purpose, and that life force fuels the thrillingly mind-warping music on the Airplane's first live album "Bless Its Pointed Little Head" (recorded late 1968). These ex-folkies and blues purists, pop singers, jazz and r&b fans, made passionate and incredibly intense music, exploratory yet soulful, full of fury, originality, and vitality.
By 1973's "Thirty Seconds", a lot had changed. Jazz-inflected drummer Spencer Dryden left in 1970, replaced by the terrific Joey Covington, another very distinctive personality who brought a funkier style, drenched in soul and r&b yet capable of rocking out with sympathy and intelligence within the group. He also brought violinist Papa John Creah aboard. Marty Balin split in April 1971, while the band was working on "Bark", and Covington was replaced a year later by the competent Johnny Barbata, who had a session man's sensibility and neither invigorated nor detracted from the music, and is perhaps the least distinctive drummer ever to join the Airplane. "Long John Silver" (1972) was a harder, more aggressive album than its predecessor, and despite its merits a mostly joyless affair. Jorma and Jack are in top form. the band does sound cohesive, but there's an angry edge to the project, especially on Grace Slick's material, and this final studio album features some superb ensemble playing, and fine moments from each band member, capturing especially the late period's interplay between Kaukonen and Creach, with more emphasis on texture and less on the famous vocal harmonies of yore. Among several highlights is the opening title track with Grace's funky keyboards and steely, piratical vocal, Jorma's wailing guitar - on what is a rare Jack Casady composition. And Kaukonon/Slick's closing "Eat Starch Mom" perhaps sums up the mood best, aggressive and sarcastic, massive Zep-like riffs driving one of the group's hardest rockers ever.
"Thirty Seconds" always suffers in comparison to the great "Bless..." but put preconceptions aside and dig a band that is still creating compelling rock 'n' roll as it nears dissolution - big, loud, loose and grungey. Again, Barbata lacks Dryden or Covington's rhythmic invention, but he anchors the band, allowing Kaukonen and Creach (and lets not forget Kantner's rhythm guitar)to soar. Casady coaxing otherworldly sounds from his instrument, is still as distinctive and brilliant a bassist as any in rock. The song selection emphasizes the group's '70s material, including the non-album single "Have You Seen The Saucers," an eleven minute "Feel So Good" from "Bark", and three excellent takes on "Long John Silver" tracks. "Crown Of Creation", with Grace's vocal asides letting you know how much has changed since '68, sounds magnificent. This is a Japanese edition (available for under $20) that sounds fine, hotter than my first pressing on Grunt vinyl, and gets played (loud) regularly in my house. The CD is housed in a gorgeous cardboard cover and inner sleeve that reproduce the original LP package precisely. I do hope, though, that Bob Irwin gets to remaster and upgrade this for US BMG, and the other late-period albums, for at just under forty minutes it begs to be fleshed out with more material from those excellent Chicago and San Francisco gigs.

A GREAT audio picture on the last gathering of JA!!!.......2006-05-15

I COMPLETELY DIASGREE with the only review posted. First of all, one must remember this ISN'T the same JA the first reviewer is thinking it is. AND, this album was recorded at one of the last shows JA performed as JA. This was recorded at Winterland in 1972. The major differences between this band and the original JA: Spencer Dryden is not drumming, John Barbata is. Marty Balin isn't with the band at this point, instead David Freiberg is the other vocalist. Also, the great Papa John Creach is playing with this version of JA. As for "Trial by Fire", it's one of Jorma's BEST songs, and it simply rocks the house. The previous reviewer must not be aware, as this old man is, that while this obviously ISN'T the original band, it's still the mighty, mighty JA-a gathering of some of San Francisco's best musicians-PERIOD! Check the version of "Feel So Good", absolutely incredible stuff, Casady's solo is phenomenal here, as is Papa's blistering hot fiddle. AND, we're lucky to have the only LIVE version I know of Papa's own "Milk Train", which as he tells you on the vinyl I STILL OWN: "Grace composed the words to this." GET THIS ONE INTO YOUR JA COLLECTION IF IT'S NOT ALREADY THERE!!!

Good but not the best.......2006-03-13

A very good live album, reasonable sound quality [lets face you ain't gunna get DDD sound from a '60's recording], good harmonies and playing.
Like the live version of 'Have You Seen the Saucers', and 'When the Earth Moves Again'.
Where it fails is some of the album probably doesn't seem to be typical JA sound and even becomes a more generic rock [anybody could be singing it]. This is especially so with the last two tracks 'Trial by Fire' and 'Twilight'. Not that they aren't JA songs and not that JA aren't performing them, but they don't have that JA feel or sound. Its a pity, because it makes the album end with a wimper rather than a roar. And the funny thing about it is tha the last two songs are probably a harder edged sound so they are trying to roar, it just doesn't come off!!
I keep looking for that wild inspiration that was captured so well on 'Bless its Pointed Little Head', it happens once or twice on '30 Seconds Over Winterland' and its good when it does, but its just not consistent.
Buy it, but don't expect another BIPLH part 2.

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