Franz Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 8 & 9 [Import]

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Günter Wand has recorded, rerecorded, and re-rerecorded this music over and over. He always did it well, and in this particular case, he really has gotten better and better over time. These performances are simply as fine as you are ever likely to hear. They feature excellent playing, and an interpretation that marries a keen ear for detail to an architectural grasp that is second to none. Essential. --David Hurwitz

Customer Reviews:

Schubert 8 and 9th Symphonies - Bernstein, N.Y. Phil........2007-07-14

Bernstein and the Philharmonic play the 8th in full-blown Romantic pitch. An excellent choice. The Great
C-Major, however, is the jewel in this recording. I probably have more records of Bernstein leading the Philharmonic in my collection than any other interpreters of classical music. Many I like, and others I don't much care for. To me, the C-Major is the best Bernstein I've heard him conduct. I always cherished the old Furtwangler and Toscanni recordings, but Bernstein's hard driving approach and excellent EMI sound quality make this performance not only a bargain but at the top of anyone's list looking for the ultimate in Schubert performance.

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Outstanding Schubert!..........2007-03-12

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Usually I prefer Bohm and the BPO with Schubert: they bring a Brucknerian reading.

But I've just gotta say that Lenny and the NYP really had some chemistry going on with the realization of Schubert's two great symphonies: one might say they bring a Mahlerian reading to the scores.

Really good.
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Magnificent! Who would have thought?.......2005-09-18

Even though critics never mention them, these readings of the Schubert 'Unfinished' and Sym. #9 could be anybody's first choice. I own a hundred Bernstein CDs and yet had passed this one over, thinking that the performances would be romantically exaggerated and out of style. In fact they are wonderful: propulsive, lyrical, and really focused on the musicality of Schubert. Good, clear recordings in the big NY Phil. style of those days, and except for a punchy ending to the first movement of the Ninth, I was carried along by the buoyancy and joy of Bernstein's approach in every bar.

Marvelous! .......2005-08-15

When I first heard (and learnt) of Schubert's symphonies,
that the man who had composed many of the best ensemble
pieces of all time had also composed as many symphonies as
Beethoven, I thought I should stick to his ensemble pieces
and not venture into his orchestra work, thinking that the
understatement and subtlety of his small ensemble composition
would not translate well for large ones. But when I first
listened to the first movement of his 8th, I knew the guy had
mastered the symphony also. His style is reminiscent of
(not surprisingly) Beethoven, mixing the Romantic with the
Classical.

Bernstein's interpretation is nothing but masterful, but in the first movement of the 8th, I would have liked it more if he had quickened the tempo/pace of the piece. The NY Phil. performs admirably under his baton.

The Great Indeed.......2000-10-25

This cd is absolutely necessary for anyone who wants a well-rounded cd collection. It is an impeccable recording (as are most Bernstein Century recordings) of two excellent pieces. The low strings have a unity that is entirely impressive, and the brass simply adds a flavor to the music that enthralls the listener. I obviously give this recording the highest recommendation.

Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 5, 8, 9; Mendelssohn: Symphonies Nos. 4 & 5

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For a non-devotee, a pleasing collection
Toscanini conducts Schubert & Mendelssohn
Good, sometimes transcendant performances
Sparkling Schubert & Mendelssohn from Toscanini

Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 5, 8, 9; Mendelssohn: Symphonies Nos. 4 & 5

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For a non-devotee, a pleasing collection.......2005-12-07

The newly remastered sound in the Toscanini "Immortal" series has brought me back into the fold, but not nearly to the breathless extent as true devotees. To a younger generation it's hard to grasp the absolute worship of Toscanini during his lifetime, yet it can't be denied. Here we have performances of 5 symphonies conducted briskly enough that they fit on two CDs. Does this imply that some of the music is too rushed? To my ears, yes. The first movement of the Schubert "Unfinished" and the two middle movements of the Schubert Ninth fairly fly by, and I hear no compensating reason why. Yet the Mendelssohn "Reformation," so often a dull duty to sit through, greatly benefits from Toscanini's kick in the pants.

The NBC Sym. wasn't a virtuoso ensemble, and nothing here sounds extraordinarily well played--one must acknowledge that razor-sharp precision was a Toscanini goal, however. It's heard to good effect in the "Reformation," hwich also has good sonics. The rest are never less than clearly recorded, without much glare or edginess.

My personal favorites here are the three Schubert symphonies, but particularly the Ninth, which Toscanini takes fairly broadly through the first movement, too fast in the middle movements, and thrillingly fast in the finale. The Fifth is buoyant, although it could use a dose more charm. The Unfinished is played for outright drama, a valid approach even if it takes a moment to adjust to Toscanini's speed up. The Mendelssohn "Italian" is pushed and faceless (Or was I getting fatigued by too many quick laps aorund the track?); it also suffers from wiry-sounding strings.

All in all, I'm not sure this level of music-making would be considered extraordinary if we didn't know befoehand that the Maestro was presiding, but even for a non-devotee this is a satisfying collection in the best sonics ever.

Toscanini conducts Schubert & Mendelssohn.......2003-12-02

There's no question that Toscanini brought out nuances in the music of Franz Schubert and Felix Mendelssohn that other conductors have missed. This compilation is a clear, definitive demonstration of Toscanini's mastery of this music.

One of the bonuses of these digitally-remastered versions of the historic RCA Victor recordings is a clarity seldom heard in the peformances before. Too often these recordings suffered from either shrillness or artificial stereo enhancements. BMG has gone back to the original sources, the magnetic tapes, and carefully mastered them for optimal sound.

The performances are consistently outstanding. Schubert's fifth symphony is a light, lyrical work that is absolutely delightful in Toscanini's hands. It uses a fairly small orchestra and was recorded in Carnegie Hall on March 17, 1953, when RCA was achieving great results with its single-microphone "New Orthophonic" process.

The eighth symphony was recorded in Studio 8-H on March 12 and June 2, 1950, the final year that the NBC Symphony Orchestra performed there. Without a studio audience present, the studio had remarkably good sound and the RCA engineers achieved wonderful results, as this recording demonstrates. The performance is absolutely awesome, particularly in the almost eerie second movement. Toscanini clearly shows that Schubert achieved much in the two movements he completed before abandoning the symphony during its third movement.

The performances of Schubert's ninth symphony by Toscanini were generally exceptional. I've long admired the November 16, 1941, recording with the Philadelphia Orchestra and the February 9, 1953, recording with the NBC Symphony Orchestra. Toscanini maintains great intensity and excitement throughout the piece, clearly showing how Schubert was looking ahead to the development on romanticism.

Mendelssohn's fourth symphony, which the composer subtitled "Italian," is an absolute delight. It has seldom been played with such beauty, serenity, and dexterity as by the NBC Symphony in this February 1954 recording, one of the last great performances by the orchestra under Toscanini.

The fifth symphony, which celebrates the Reformation, is a work of great dignity and power. Toscanini skillfully grasped the drama of the music and builds the famous "A Mighty Fortress" chorale in an overwhelming manner. This Carnegie Hall recording from December 13, 1953, is one of Toscanini's best.

Good, sometimes transcendant performances.......2003-07-03

I have said several times elsewhere that these 24-bit remastered Toscanini CDs are among the best-sounding of all Toscanini reissues. I should also mention that, for the most part, the performances are also superb. This set is no exception. I am not totally convinced of his swift, taut reading of the "Unfinished" symphony's first movement, but the second movement has seldom been performed with such depth of feeling and delicate beauty. Likewise, his performance of the Mendelssohn "Italian" symphony seems to me a bit harsh in places, perhaps caused by the tenseness of the string players, but is overall a fine reading. On the other hand, Toscanini's vision of the Schubert 5th was decades ahead of its time, light and airy, much like the Fischer-Dieskau and Harnoncourt recordings.

The Schubert 9th here is NOT the later recording, but the 1948 performance, which is actually a shade better, closer in concept to the exciting Philadelphia Orchestra performance but without the tragically wrong-headed slowdown of the basses in the closing measures. In short, a slightly faster version than you may be used to, but quite valid in its own way. (Even the Austrians of the Vienna Philharmonic admitted that Toscanini's Schubert, though unconventional, was valid.)

The Mendelssohn 5th Symphony, "Reformation," is quite simply one of the old man's greatest performances of any music. He actually conducts this symphony a little SLOWER than most conductors today, building the chorale theme in the last movement with inexorable drama and power. You simply must hear it to believe it!

Sparkling Schubert & Mendelssohn from Toscanini.......2001-07-23

For those accustomed to the Viennese whipped-cream & chocolate approach to Schubert, Toscanini's interpretations will come as a shock. Toscanini saw Schubert's symphonic works as rooted in Classical structure and compositional technique, coupled with Schubert's extraordinary melodic gifts, rather as works pointing to Schumann and the later Romantics.

This 1953 version of Schubert's Fifth Symphony is the only one made by Toscanini, who performed publicly it for the first time shortly before the recording session. Always concerned with instrumental balance, Toscanini pared down the string section so as not to overpower the woodwinds. The result is a leaner Schubert Fifth than in most recordings, with fleet playing from the strings and better intonation from the woodwinds than one usually hears from the NBC Symphony.

Toscanini's 1950 recording of the ubiquitous "Unfinished" Symphony is more turbulent than most versions, with the battle between the minor and major tonalities of the first movement clearly being won by the sides of darkness. Where the first movement is turmoil interrupted by occasional lyricism, the second movement is just the opposite, and Toscanini's approach to the work underscores that point.

The Ninth was Toscanini's favorite of Schubert's symphonies, judging from the number of times he performed it. His three recordings of the piece (1941, with the Philadelphia Orchestra, 1947 with the NBC Symphony, and this version from 1953), differ in tempo, approach to transitions, and balance between orchestral sections. Yet Toscanini's vision of the work remains essentially the same: Structural and harmonic clarity are paramount. Whereas most conductors use the work as an excuse for random, and radical, tempo changes, Toscanini's plays the work in a relatively straight line. This is especially noteworthy in the coda of the first movement, where Toscanini sustains the main tempo until the end.

Unlike the Schubert, these performances of the Mendelssohn Symphonies derive from concert broadcasts and rehearsals recorded during Toscanini's final season as a conductor. For the most part, however, the playing is as polished as in the Schubert. (One notable exception is near the beginning of Mendelssohn's "Reformation" Symphony, where there are a few incidents of poor woodwind intonation.) The Mendelssohn Symphonies are approached in much the same way as the Schubert, more "Classic" than "Romantic" (of course, neither composer would have been concerned with such musicological terminology). Nevertheless, in terms of symphonic music, Toscanini's interpretive approach pointed to the high Classical era of Mozart and Early Beethoven.

A note about the sound: Until recently, few conductors have been as poorly served by recording technology than was Arturo Toscanini. The first LP issues of his work, which even then sounded sub-par, were made worse in the mid-1960s with the introduction of fake-stereo reissues. The first CD issues in the mid-1980s were little better, with excess reverb and audible edits. The mammoth complete Toscanini reissue of the early 1990s treated the recordings with the respect they deserved, but the sound was still limited. As for this RE-reissue, the sonics are dramatically superior to all earlier issues. Utilizing the best technology now available, RCA has done the right thing by hiring a musician--conductor Ed Houser--rather than whiz-bang technicians to supervise the remastering. The NBC Symphony Orchestra now sounds better than ever before, with greater clarity, smoother strings, fuller winds, and less distortion during fortissimos. Even this version of Schubert's "Unfinished," which was recorded in NBC's cramped Studio 8-H, has a fullness and body, if not actual warmth, that has not been heard previously from this source.

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Air On A G String - Johann Sebastian Bach
Jesu, Joy Of Man's Desiring - Johann Sebastian Bach
Canon In D - Johann Pachelbel
Trumpet Voluntary - Jeremiah Clarke
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Allegro From Suite - John Stanley
Prelude From Te Deum - Marc Antoine Charpentier
Allegro From Sonata - Henry Purcell
Rondeau (Masterpiece Theatre Theme) - Jean-Joseph Mourey
Ave Maria - Bach
Sleepers Awake - Johann Sebastian Bach
Sheep May Safely Graze - Johann Sebastian Bach
Ave Maria, D 839 - Franz Schubert
Wedding March From Midsummer Nights Dream - Felix Mendelssohn
Hornpipe In D From Water Music Suite - Georg Frideric Handel
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Wedding Day At Troldhaugen From Lyric Pieces - Edvard Grieg

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Unimpressive...
Provincial Performances

Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 8 & 9

Manufacturer: Naxos
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Release Date: 2003-06-17

Tracks:

Spoken Introduction By Georg Tintner
Allegro Moderato
Andante Con Moto
Andante - Andante Ma Non Troppo
Andante Con Moto
Scherzo: Allegro Vivace
Finale: Allegro Vivace

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Unimpressive..........2004-06-03

Surely the vaults must have better recording of this relationship then the one we have been served. For example Bohm in Berlin can be purchased at 6 dollars and ninety nine cents US and you will get not only a great orchestra but better recorded sound.

Something goes wrong with this performance into the development section..for some really strange reason the balances in the first movement seem very unusual, tonally the reading has no ambient sound and therefore the beautiful ring we come to expect on a professionally engineered record in not there!

As to tempi I find very little inspired with the handling of the themes...it is a bit like the orchetra is on beta blockers or maybe even worse sleeping....go to Solti in Vienna or even Herbert K with anyone....

Kerstez is still my favorite in this area of Romantic repetoire.

Provincial Performances.......2003-08-09

I was very disappointed in the first volume of Naxos's projected 12-volume 'Tintner Memorial Edition,' most of which will be recorded with Symphony Nova Scotia, the last group he conducted before his death in 1999. That volume contained three late Mozart symphonies and although the interpretations were fairly mainstream and even expert in conception, Tintner was let down by the provincial playing of his orchestra. I indicated in my review of that issue that I would be eager to hear subsequent releases in the series, hoping that the quality would improve. Alas, this second volume--live performances of the two pieces from 1990 and 1988 respectively--is no better than the first.

One problem, of course, is that the contents of the CD--Schubert's Unfinished Symphony (No. 8) and the Great C-Major Symphony (No. 9)--have been recorded innumerable times in the past and often extremely well. There are too many fine available recordings to enumerate them, although I would single out the incandescent performance of the C-Major Symphony by the Vienna Philharmonic under Georg Solti, whom some might think an unlikely Schubert interpreter. It is coupled with a fine Wagner 'Siegfried Idyll' on Polygram ...P>The problems here are the same as in the previous issue. There's no simpler way to say it: at the time of these recordings this orchestra was third-rate. The horns and brass in particular are often out of tune and their style is, in a word, coarse. The strings and winds, although better, have problems with articulation, tuning, phrasing and ensemble. The horrendously difficult (and tiring) violin triplets in the fourth movement of the 9th are either rushed or crushed much of the time, although fortunately they are often covered by the playing of the winds and brass. At the beginning of the Unfinished (after the monitory low string motto) the rushing sotto voce strings bode well for four measures before the wind theme enters out of tune. Oh my. And although there are some patches of lovely playing, just as in the Mozart disc, there are so many unforeseen bits of unruly playing as to make these performances unacceptable.

The first band on the CD contains four minutes of charming comments by Maestro Tintner about Schubert. This is not enough to make purchase of this disc worthwhile, even at its budget price.

TT=79.41

Tracks:

I. Allegro Moderato - Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
II. Andante Con Moto - Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
I. Andante-Allegro Ma Non Troppo - London Symphony Orchestra
II. Andante Con Moto - London Symphony Orchestra
III. Scherzo: Allegro Vivace-Trio-Scherzo Da Capo - London Symphony Orchestra
IV. Finale: Allegro Vivace - London Symphony Orchestra

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Berlin-born Bruno Walter (1876-1962) was a Pre-eminent Conductor in a Periot Rich in Musicians of Stature. He Worked with Mahler in Hamburg and Vienna and Became his Greatest Champion. Forced to Leave Vienna in 1938 He Made his Home in America. Walter's was a Contemplative and Lyrical Genius; In his Treatment Od the Orchestra He Obtained Exceptional Results Not Only by his Outstanding Gifs, but also by Regarding the Players as Friendly Collaborators. He is Now the Fouth Conductor (After Toscanini, Stokowski and Ansermet) to Be Feature on the Living Era Classics Series.

Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 6 & 8 ("Unfinished"); Haydn: Piano Concerto in D

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More Wonderful Wand

Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 6 & 8 ("Unfinished"); Haydn: Piano Concerto in D

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Release Date: 2004-12-14

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More Wonderful Wand.......2005-05-06

While I'm not currently buying Testament titles at the same rate I was a few years back, I simply could not pass up this one featuring the legendary conductor Gunter Wand. (The fact that I found it for $5 in a Boston used CD store might have contributed slightly to my decision.) This CD features Wand performing Schubert's 6th and 8th Symphonies (in stereo from 1962 and 1958 respectively) and Haydn's Piano Concerto in D (with Heinz Schroter in mono from 1956) with his beloved Gurzenich Orchestra of Cologne. Those familiar with my other Wand Testament reviews on Amazon, or those who know Wand's bio, will already know this, but popularity found Wand late in life. One of the reasons may be traced back to a career decision made in the early 1950s. Wand was given the opportunity by Walter Legge to join the great roster of conductors at EMI and make a few recordings, or record a larger body of work with the French subscription music club, Club Francaise du Disque. Wand, always one to put the music first, chose the latter, and as a result we have this beautiful archive of recordings, beginning to be lovingly reissued by Testament. And it is a "testament" to that company's dedication to classical music today that allows us to hear all these gems of the past -- thank you!

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A mellifluous Schubert cycle, but lacking in adventure

Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 1-6, 8 & 9

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A mellifluous Schubert cycle, but lacking in adventure .......2006-05-20

Until fairly recently Schubert's symhonic output was largely unrecognized except for three works, the Mozartean #5, the passionate "Unfinished," and the sunny, expansive Ninth. Great conductors restricted themselves to thise three works, with the exception of Beecham, who championed Sym. #3, #4, and #6 with great effectiveness. Colin Davis is his successor in Britain as the acknowledged Grand Old Man of Music, but I'm not sure his Schubert is a real advance over the past.

All these readings are well played and recorded, and there are flashes of spirited interpretation, such as the opening movement of Sym. #3, which is forceful but without the toughness and edge that Carlos Kleiber brought to it. In general the best word for Davis's approach is poised, and the worst is meek. This is the mellifluous Schubert of old, the simple schoolteacher who hapened to be a melodic genius. One misses the brave thrust of Harnoncourt's readings with the Concertgebouw (Teldec), which inject a good deal of Beethoven into the mix.

If you are a traditionalist, Davis's cycle will be very satisfying--by comparison, Karajan's big-band approach with the Berlin Phil. (EMI) feels inflated and self-important. Too bad that Davis lets us down in the late masterpieces, the 'Unfinished' and the C major 'Great,' where his pleasant straightforwardness doesn't come close to doing justice to Schubert's genius. The rest of the symphonies come off sunny and bright without apology.

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Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 5, 8 & 9 [Germany]
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Symph. #8- 1. Allegro Moderato
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Iv Allegro Vivace

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Schubert: Symphonies Nos. 8 & 9
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Release Date: 2005-03-07

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this is NOT SACD

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this is NOT SACD.......2006-08-29

I attempted to order the SACD version of this CD from three (3!) internet vendors; each of them claimed it was SACD and each of them sent me the PCM version. There is an SACD version (I saw the cover on ClassicsTodayFrance) but there is no cover shown here--wonder why? I gave up on the last one (from CDZone) and played it; sure enough, the bass is tubby, the strings fuzzy, and the tutti wash out--hey, Tudor is not an engineering genius anyway. Pity, because the performances are OK. But not as good as syms 2/4 which are actually SACD--even on Amazon. By the bye, when I complained to these retail whizzes, the answer was (more or less) "hey, we have a lot of CDs; can't keep track of all of them." The best response was from Caiman when I tried to check before I ordered from them: "we are not in position to check the details of inventory items." I wonder who is?

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