Beethoven: Symphonies No. 7 & 8

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"Zinmans' Beethoven...is swift, lean, exhilarating and transparent. The Tonhalle copes bravely, often with exceptional skill..."

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The world premiere of these symphonies on modern instruments using the New Bärenreiter Edition! The recording follows the new critical edition of the original manuscript of Beethoven’s symphonies prepared by Jonathan Del Mar and recently issued as part of the complete edition of his works. David Zinman’s Beethoven symphony cycle has garnered rave reviews worldwide and won the German Record Critics’ prize in 1999.

It is hard to believe today, but it was not until the premiere of the Seventh Symphony on December 8, 1813 that the Viennese public first waxed enthusiastic about a Beethoven symphony. All the previous symphonies had been received somewhat coolly, or with hostility. Unfortunately, the Eighth symphony was premiered on the same concert, and its reputation suffered in comparison, a perhaps unfair judgment which has continued to the present day in many quarters.

This disc continues the reissued series of Zinman’s Beethoven available on single discs. The complete box is also available!

Beethoven: Symphonies No. 7 & 8, Music, Ludwig van Beethoven, David Zinman, Zurich Tonhalle Orchestra, Classical, Classical Composers, Orchestral & Symphonic, Romantic Symphony, Symphonic
Ludwig van Beethoven: The 9 Symphonies - Arturo Toscanini / NBC Symphony Orchestra
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Ludwig van Beethoven: The 9 Symphonies - Arturo Toscanini / NBC Symphony Orchestra
Ludwig van Beethoven (Composer) , Arturo Toscanini (Conductor) , and NBC Symphony Orchestra
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ASIN: B0000CNTLU
Release Date: 2003-12-09

Customer Reviews:

5 out of 5 stars Toscanini's last Beethoven cycle -- a unique, bargain glimpse of the performing rite.......2007-06-30

This set's insighful and irresistable, especially at the 'Amazon' price. 5 stars from me!

Imagine being able to hear works played by musicians with direct links to performers who've remembered what the composer wanted in performance of his/her works during his/her lifetime. Such opportunities arise through listening to recordings made by maestros like Arturo Toscanini (born 1867, began orchestra conducting 1886) whose musicianship -- not just in terms of scholarship and technical powers -- take us to a view of the contemporary Beethoven performing rite that seems to have dimmed with successive generations. Not that every Toscanini performance of a work is the same -- indeed there's noticeable evolution -- but his basic underlying approach remained sufficiently consistent for it to be captured in recordings, like this set, made quite late in his career (it ended in mid-1954, he died early 1957).

This Beethoven cycle is ADD mono and may not be any sonic improvement over either RCA's "74321", or "GD", series CDs of the same cycle; and it's unlikely to be sonically better than the superb LP transfers in the 100-disc set released (in the late 1970s) by RCA Japan (n.l.a.). But if you don't already own this latest RCA CD package, then, at the 'Amazon' price, it'll be an indispensible part of your Beethoven cycle experience.

The NBC Symphony is in great form (Toscanini reportedly said it didn't really become a top symphony orchestra until around its 1950 continental US tour and these discs are from that period) and the recorded sound, for the most part (say except for the Seventh's last movement) captures the dynamics and unique, chrystaline fabric of the Toscanini orchestral sound.

There's apparently some confusion over whether the set's 'Eroica' is the 1949 "studio" or 1953 "live" (broadcast) performance, but the insert-booklet's per-movement timings indicate it's the 1953 one (which is broader and differently inflected compared to the '49, and some earlier, Toscanini Eroicas; the 1949 one is included in RCA's "GD" CD series). Anyhow, this kind of issue is more for discographers than those out on a journey of important musical discovery.

Buy this set, especially at the price, the performances shouldn't fail to stimulate and inspire!

Some suggested references:-

'The Toscanini Legacy' by Spike Hughes (pub. 'Dover')
'Toscanini and the Art of Conducting' by Robert C. Marsh (pub. 'Collier Books') (in UK, titled 'Toscanini and the Art of Orchestral Performance' (pub. 'Allen & Unwin'))
'Arturo Toscanini - The NBC Years' by Mortimer H. Frank (pub. 'Amadeus Press').

5 out of 5 stars i can't take it anymore.......2007-06-02

i'm tired of aficionado's bashing toscanini around while praising furtwangler as the ultimate interpreter of beethoven. just as an average "uneducated" listener is likely to praise karajan, an average "uneducated" aficionado is likely to praise furtwangler as the only viable option of beethoven performance.
which is just utterly not true!
don't get me wrong - i love furtwangler. he is one of the conductors i revere most, and i DO think that his beethoven is rarely surpassed. but there are a million ways to perform a piece! and most likely than not, this is not a matter of the cliched "subjective vs. objective" argument that most people put forward.
to argue that beethoven would not have conducted his music a la toscanini is absurd. very presumptious, of you ask me. actually, comparing beethoven's metronome markings with furtwangler's and tostanini's recordings, toscanini actually is closer to the norm. furtwangler actually disregards a lot of beethoven's instructions regarding tempi, phrasing, development, dynamics, etc.
many people, including me, would argue that furtwangler is not disregarding beethoven's intentions at all. beethoven's intention when, for instance, composing the first movement of the eroica, was not, as toscanini has said, "allegro con brio." it was the expression of beauty, the expression of the human soul. beethoven might've heard in his head the movement much faster than is usually performed. but music that occures in the mind and in the physical is significantly different (think of printing - the blue on your computer screen doesn't really turn out to be the blue you want when you print it out!). if furtwangler's performances best achieve this end (which i do believe they do), he has serviced beethoven immensly.
but who is to judge that furtwangler expressed what beethoven intended? perhaps beethoven intended a different kind of beauty? a different kind of soul? and this is why people who love music often have more than one record of the same music.
toscanini was a supreme maestro in his own right. he might not have the ability to direct a mind towards musical epiphany like furtwangler, or to steadily provoke the mind and heart to a state of climax like klemperer, but he does have a supreme sense of orchestral control. no one makes tuttis sound like tuttis as toscanini. he also has an insuperable talent of conveying musical excitement: not even erich kleiber, who in my opinion had one of the most powerful rhythmical senses amongst all the great conductors, can imbue a performance with as much explosive propulsion.
i must admit that i was also infected with the "toscanini-hate" for a while, particularly because sergiu celibidache, absolutely one of the greatest conductors, derided him as being a "note-factory." compared with celibidache or furtwangler, toscanini is a note factory. but this is merely because he prefers a more "absolute music" approach. to him, music is not an emotional, or spiritual language. it is just music. what the audience feels from the music is because of the innate quality of the notes themselves, not because the conductor tries to express them. one might say that people who prefer the first chords of the fifth symphony to be blatantly like "fate knocking on the door" would be disappointed by toscanini. but in a sense, such expectations are naive. to some performers and listeners, fate knocking on the door does not have to take on the gothic melodrama that most modern performances aim to achieve.
surely, there are sets out there that please me more - and this is not a collection of toscanini's best performances. there is a particularly noteworthy seventh on naxos coupled with an equally compelling fifth. this collection, however, serves as a worthy exponent of the virtues of toscanin's art.
for catharsis, look to furtwangler. for a sense of musical consummation, look to klemperer. elegance and liveliness, to erich kleiber. rough-edged and fiery, hawk-eyed execution, to schuricht. weingartner, walter, carlos kleiber, bohm, scherchen, and kempe also provide heartwrenching accounts. amongst the HIP performers, only gardiner had me convinced. actually, toscanini wouldn't be on top of my list of favorite beethoven conductors. but for others, he surely is, and it is more than a proper position.

4 out of 5 stars Classic circa 1950 Beethoven Symphony Cycle.......2007-05-30

Toscanini was born in 1867, the same year as my great grandfather. According to RCA, his first gig as a conductor was in 1886! These recordings were made at Carnegie Hall between November 1949 and November 1952 except symphonies 4 & 5 which were taken from NBC broadcasts.

After seeing a great performance of Verdi's La Traviata, I bought Toscanini's rendition of the preludes from this opera. This was in 1978. Toscanini's music were on budget lps at the time. And being in college, I was on a budget. I have several of his budget lps plus this Beethoven Symphony cycle on the RCA plum dog label from the 1950s that I bought used. I have always enjoyed the performances and have always had misgivings about the at best AM radio like fidelity of the recordings.

I recently listened to Toscanini's Brahms Symphonies at Rhapsody and the remastering has almost brought the sonics into the space age. WOW! The Beethoven symphonies too are at Rhapsody. They sound pretty good, but far from the great Analog of the late 50s to when digital kicked in circa 1980. When the music intensifies, it seems to my ear to start to distort a little and get a little shrill. Kinda like a movie theater where you can enter and egress with abandon as long as no one yells "Fire!!"

If we look at the fidelity coming from the 1930s and 40s, all complaints would be dropped and instead our astonishment would be given at just how great they sound. For historical recordings, they do sound GREAT. I enjoyed listening again to them.

Toscanini has gone from being the best thing since sliced bread to being regarded as an out of favor commissar who is now commissaring in outer Siberia. By listening to these recordings I would hope that your perspective will improve and that you would realize that Toscanini was a pretty good conductor, who brought great classical music to the masses, who had wide influence that is still felt thru his understudies, and that he was not the boogie man!

5 out of 5 stars Beethoven's symphonies.......2007-05-12

When the master conducts the master, you will get nothing but a superb rendition of excellent musice. A must for classics lovers

5 out of 5 stars Great Historical Collection.......2007-05-07

Any collection of all nine Beethoven symphonies is likely to have some great recordings and some not-so-great ones, and this collection is no exception. On balance, however, if you appreciate the Toscanini style (generally fast paced), this group ranks very close to the 1963 Karajan with the Berlin SO and right there with Walter and the Columbia SO. Plus, this is the most economical way to get Toscanini's recordings of the third, seventh and ninth, so the others are a "bonus."
Beethoven: Symphonien Nos. 5 & 7 / Kleiber, Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
Average customer rating: 4.5 out of 5 stars
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  • Simply revelatory
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Beethoven: Symphonien Nos. 5 & 7 / Kleiber, Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra

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Release Date: 1996-01-23

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 5 In C Minor, Op. 67: 1 - Allegro con brio
  2. Symphonie No. 5 In C Minor, Op. 67: 2 - Andante con moto
  3. Symphonie No. 5 In C Minor, Op. 67: 3 - Allegro
  4. Symphonie No. 5 In C Minor, Op. 67: 4 - Allegro
  5. SYMPHONIE NO. 7 IN A MAJOR, OP. 92: 1 - Poco sostenuto - vivace
  6. SYMPHONIE NO. 7 IN A MAJOR, OP. 92: 2 - Allegretto
  7. SYMPHONIE NO. 7 IN A MAJOR, OP. 92: 3 - Presto
  8. SYMPHONIE NO. 7 IN A MAJOR, OP. 92: 4 - Allegro con brio

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Long regarded as the quintessential interpretation of the most popular and best-loved symphony ever written, this performance of the Fifth has everything: passion, precision, drama, lyric beauty, and a coiled fury in the first movement that sets your pulse racing from the very first note. Carlos Kleiber has made very few recordings in his distinguished career, but almost all are special. If you own no other copy of this symphony, this is the one to get. It comes with an exceptional performance of the Seventh--not quite as gripping as the Fifth, but definitely one of the great ones. There is classical music, and there are classic recordings of classical music. This one's a classic. -- David Hurwitz

Customer Reviews:

2 out of 5 stars Unsatisfactory audio quality.......2007-07-13

The performance is marred by the inferior audio quality. It seems that the engineers of this CD have not adequately limited the dynamic range, with the result that the loud passages are too loud and the soft passages are too soft. I found myself constantly adjusting the volume control. I have purchased other CDs from Deutsche Grammophon (e.g., the Brahms Symphony collection) and those CDs are fine.

5 out of 5 stars Kleiber does Beethoven...and does it right!.......2007-07-12

A terrific 5th!

This is the best rendition of Beethoven's 5th Symphony I've ever heard. It has a continuous pace and energy that I've seldom heard when listening to this piece before.

Beethoven's 5th has often described as "fate knocking at the door". Well Kleiber's interpretation still has fate knocking at the door, but urgently... very urgently, and with the utmost positive effect. (I somehow envision the musicians lathered in sweat and collapsing from fatigue at the end of this piece).

This disc also has Beethoven's 7th Symphony; it too is very well done and, on any other CD, would be the focal point of attention.

A great CD; one to be considered in anyone's collection of classical music.
5 Stars.

R. Nicholson

5 out of 5 stars a legendary recording.......2007-03-06

"For all Kleiber's notable work, there will be a lingering regret that such a natural and brilliant talent did not achieve even more." - The Guardian

Even Beethoven legends like Karajan could not emulate Kleiber's success with these 2 symphonies. The 5th Symphony, as commercially overplayed as it is, becomes something completely different under his baton; the final movement is especially dramatic, rivaling the energy of an actual live recording. The 7th Symphony is not so superior - other conductors have come closer to this benchmark - but the 2nd movement (again overplayed) is truly something special. The recording, made over 30 years ago, sounds just as good as anything made today.

With 100+ recordings, my review seems somewhat superfluous, as well :)

5 out of 5 stars Simply revelatory.......2007-02-12

To be able to generate such passion and electricity especially in the studio seems exactly what Beethovan wanted the music at the time. To me this version puts all other versions out of court.

5 out of 5 stars An ultimate Beethoven interpretion of Sym 5 and Sym 7.......2007-02-06

Carlos Kleiber who was relatively unknown until fairly recently, has created a masterpiece. In effect he has been rediscovered. His father was no mean figure in classical music during WWII in South America and the son seems to have inherited a great deal of inspirational genius from Dad. The Viena Philharmonic is playing in its best form. This recording will outlive most others for musical excellence, precision, feeling and soul. Technically and musically, this is by far the most thrilling recording of our time. The technical sound is flawless, the inspiration is impeccable.The recording of both symphonies sustains the level of awe and excitement not usually found on most recordings of Beethoven. Oh, dear, would that Carlos had recorded the Missa Solemnis and other iconic monuments by Beethoven.
Beethoven: 9 Symphonies
Average customer rating: 4.5 out of 5 stars
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  • Excellent set of Beethoven's 9 Symphonies
  • SACD set is better
  • one of the best beethoven cycles
Beethoven: 9 Symphonies
Ludwig van Beethoven , Herbert Von Karajan , Gundula Janowitz , Waldemar Kmentt , Hilde Rossel-Majdan , and Berlin Philharmonic
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ASIN: B000001GBQ
Release Date: 2007-06-05

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No.1 in C major, Op. 21: 1. Adagio molto - Allegro con brio - L.V. Beethoven
  2. Symphony No.1 in C major, Op. 21: 2. Andante cantabile con moto - L.V. Beethoven
  3. Symphony No.1 in C major, Op. 21: 3. Menuetto. Allegro molto e vivace - L.V. Beethoven
  4. Symphony No.1 in C major, Op. 21: 4. Adagio - Allegro molto e vivace - L.V. Beethoven
  5. Symphony No. 3 in E flat major, op.55 Eroica: 1. Allegro con brio - L.V. Beethoven
  6. Symphony No. 3 in E flat major, op.55 Eroica: 2. Marcia funebre. Adagio assai - L.V. Beethoven
  7. Symphony No. 3 in E flat major, op.55 Eroica: 3. Scherzo. Allegro vivace - L.V. Beethoven
  8. Symphony No. 3 in E flat major, op.55 Eroica: 4. Finale. Allegro molto - L.V. Beethoven

Tracks:

  1. Symphonie No. 2 D-dur Op.36: I. Adagio Molto - Allegro Con Brio - L.V. Beethoven
  2. Symphonie No. 2 D-dur Op.36: Larghetto - L.V. Beethoven
  3. Symphonie No. 2 D-dur Op.36: Menuet & Trio: Allegro Molto E Vivace - L.V. Beethoven
  4. Symphonie No. 2 D-dur Op.36: Adagio - Allegro Molto E Vivace - L.V. Beethoven
  5. Symphonie No. 4 B-dur Op. 60: I. Adagio - Allegro Vivace - L.V. Beethoven
  6. Symphonie No. 4 B-dur Op. 60: Adagio - L.V. Beethoven
  7. Symphonie No. 4 B-dur Op. 60: Allegro Vivace: Un Poco Meno Allegro - L.V. Beethoven
  8. Symphonie No. 4 B-dur Op. 60: Allegro Ma Non Troppo - L.V. Beethoven

Tracks:

  1. Symphonie No. 5: 1. Allegro Con Brio - L.V. Beethoven
  2. Symphonie No. 5: 2. Andante Con Moto - L.V. Beethoven
  3. Symphonie No. 5: 3. Allegro - L.V. Beethoven
  4. Symphonie No. 5: 4. Allegro - L.V. Beethoven
  5. Symphonie No. 6: 1. Erwachen Heiterer Empfindungen Bei Der Ankunft Auf Dem Lande (Allegro Ma Non Troppo) - L.V. Beethoven
  6. Symphonie No. 6: 2. Szene Am Bach (Andante Molto Mosso) - L.V. Beethoven
  7. Symphonie No. 6: 3. Lustiges Zusammensein Der Landleute (Allegro) - L.V. Beethoven
  8. Symphonie No. 6: 4. Gewitter - Sturm (Allegro) - L.V. Beethoven
  9. Symphonie No. 6: 5. Hirtengesang, Frohe Und Dankbare Gef Hle Nach Dem Sturm (Allegretto) - L.V. Beethoven

Tracks:

  1. Symphony 7: 1 Poco Sostenuto - Vivace - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  2. Symphony 7: 2 Allegretto - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  3. Symphony 7: 3 Presto - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  4. Symphony 7: 4 Allegro Con Brio - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  5. Symphony 8: 1 Allegro Vivace I Con Brio - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  6. Symphony 8: 2 Allegretto Scherzando - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  7. Symphony 8: 3 Tempo Di Menuetto - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  8. Symphony 8: 4 Allegro Vivace - Ludwig Van Beethoven

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 9: Allegro ma non troppo, un poco maestoso - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  2. Symphony No. 9: Molto vivace - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  3. Symphony No. 9: Adagio molto e cantabile - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  4. Symphony No. 9: Presto - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  5. Symphony No. 9: Presto. - - Ludwig Van Beethoven

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By general consensus, Herbert von Karajan's first (1963) Beethoven cycle for Deutsche Grammophon is the best of the four (!) that he recorded. The Berlin Philharmonic was in top form, and they had not yet made an artistic fetish out of the bland smoothness that typified the conductor's later recordings of this music (and just about everything else). Karajan's squeaky clean, emotionally cool Beethoven will always be something of an acquired taste, but this set makes the best possible case for it. --David Hurwitz

Customer Reviews:

2 out of 5 stars Those who ignore repeats should be taken outside and shot.......2007-06-07

Karajan shows no respect for the balance of Beethoven's score. Overall, there is little here to laud or hate......a bonus second star for spectacular execution by the Berlin Phil, without actually playing any music. Glossy, zero rubato, zero sforzati, continuous mezzo forte.

In 20 years, music notation software with masterful samples will sound exactly like this: the most perfect and beautiful sounds a computer can generate. These performances are soulless.

Give me Bernstein/VPO or Solti/Chicago any day over this rubbish.

5 out of 5 stars One of the best cycles out there - if not the best!.......2007-05-05

The 9 Symphonies play a great role in my life because of their sheer beauty and touching deepness. So I have obtained a lot of recordings of these pieces through the years, some of them on CD, some on casette, some on LP. And there are the concerts, of course. As a natural consequence, I have listened to a lot of different interpretations of these masterpieces. All interpretations (well not all but a great majority) have their moments but when I listen to Maestro Karajan's recordings of these, I always discover something that wasn't there the last time I heard. Karajan has always been critiqued for being too mechanical, too much in control but he always introduced something new to the music through his interpretation... The artistical point of the 1963 Karajan cycle has already been talked about a lot, I've got nothing more to say about it, I can only repeat that this cycle is perpahs the best cycle you will ever find. It is one of those works which become to be the yardstick for the later recordings to be compared with.

I was most pleasantly surprised to discover that the sound quality is phenomenal for a 1963 recording, it is better than more recent ADD records. The sound engineering is also very good, it is like having the full orchestra play for you in youor living room. The deep notes of the double basses go right through you while the violins tease your ears in a most pleasent way. So, the sound quality is just great.

I also would like to talk about the CD design, which is something very important for me. I know it is strange but I like to own CDs that have good design. Of course the included material is a lot more important but... Anyway, there are two CD cases with the first one including the first 6 symphonies on 3 CDs, and the other presenting the remaining three on 2 CDs, with the last CD contains the 9th. CDs have mirror surface with the classic DG logo and the contents are listed on the CD itself as well as the booklet. The booklet offers a good read on the 9 symphonies and the cycle presented with the set.

I hope you will enjoy the set as much as I do...

5 out of 5 stars Excellent set of Beethoven's 9 Symphonies.......2007-04-12

I have only one complaint: the first part of both the 5th and 6th
symphonies feel a bit rushed in my view, the tempo seems just a
little fast. Other than that, this is an excellent set of
Beethoven's 9 symphonies, well worth it.

3 out of 5 stars SACD set is better.......2007-03-30

Beethoven's 5th by Karajan was my first classical record purchase.
Thousands of analogue and digital discs later, I again purchased the same 5th and eight others on this CD set.

Karajan lived through the eternal dilemma of the all artists who came after the great predecessors.
At his last Saltsburg Festival, after conducted "Don Giovanni"He said to his wife,

"Furtwangler would have said it wasn't all that great."
She consoled the Maestro,
"It was! It was!"
Karajan had a life long struggle with legacy of Furtwangler and was not too sure if he won.

Well, his style and interpretations are definitely non-Furtwangler, or to more precisely put non-German.
It seems to me that Karajan tried to avoid playing Beethoven's music in conjunction with German culture and spirituality.

Whether his attempt was successful one or not, has been a topic of many music critics and connoisseurs.

Personally, I have a mixed feeling toward this cycle.
I like No.1, 2 and 7 very much. However, there are some flaws; for instance in the fourth movements of 5th and 9th,
cello, bass, tympani and all lower notes suddenly disappear. All you hear is the first violin all the way to coda with painfully
bright tone.(it is called Karajan glare and is more obvious if you own high resolution Audiophile stereo system)

Wonder if this deletion of bass is a part of Karajan's interpretations or a fault of old analog recorder, which is incapable of
recording loud passages?

In each symphonies, the first violin is always exaggerated over other instruments. I think that is the reason why some people
call these recordings "light" Beethoven.

If you must listen to Karajan's Beethoven Symphonies, I would recommend SACD reissue, which is more expensive and bass is
still thin but tonal quality is somewhat more acceptable.

And if you want to listen to the best Beethoven cycle, do yourself a favor:
Obtain the 9 symphonies by Furtwangler.

This set is not my first choice.

4 out of 5 stars one of the best beethoven cycles.......2007-02-22

generally this set is one of the best beethoven cycles, audio is good considering that this recording was done in the 60's. though the string section of the orchestra was quite dominant, the wind instruments were sonically weak maybe due to placements of microphones during recording( compare with carlos kleiber beethoven symphonies). Last movement of symphony no. 9 seems to be lacking of the high frequecy content of the sound. it seems that there was a cutting of the full audio frequency. maybe they were trying to suppress the noise but the fidelity of the audio was sacreificed. overall this cycle is a must for a beethoven fan.
Beethoven: The Complete Symphonies and Piano Concertos
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Beethoven: The Complete Symphonies and Piano Concertos

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ASIN: B00004YA0S
Release Date: 2000-11-07

Tracks:

  1. I: Adagio Molto - Allegro Con Brio
  2. II: Andante Cantabile Con Moto
  3. III: Menuetto & Trio: Allegro Molto E Vivace
  4. IV: Adagio - Allegro Molto E Vivace
  5. I: Allegro Ma Non Troppo
  6. II: Andante Molto Mosso
  7. III: Allegro - In Tempo D'allegro - Tempo I
  8. IV: Allegro
  9. V: Allegretto

Tracks:

  1. I: Allegro Con Brio
  2. II: Marcia Funebre: Adagio Assai
  3. III: Scherzo & Trio: Allegro Vivace
  4. IV: Finale: Allegro Molto - Poco Andante - Presto
  5. Gross Fuge

Tracks:

  1. I: Adagio Molto - Allegro Con Brio
  2. II: Larghetto
  3. III: Scherzo & Trio: Allegro
  4. IV: Allegro Molto
  5. I: Allegro Con Brio
  6. II: Andante Con Moto - Piu Mosso - Tempo I
  7. III: Allegro -
  8. IV: Allegro - Presto

Tracks:

  1. I: Adagio - Allegro Vivace
  2. II: Adagio
  3. III: Menuetto: Allegro Vivace - Trio: Un Poco Meno Allegro
  4. IV: Allegro Ma Non Troppo
  5. I: Poco Sostenuto - Vivace
  6. II: Allegretto
  7. III: Presto - Assai Meno Presto
  8. IV: Allegro Con Brio

Tracks:

  1. I: Allegro Vivace Con Brio
  2. II: Allegretto Scherzando
  3. III: Tempo Di Menuetto
  4. IV: Allegro Vivace
  5. Overture
  6. Overture
  7. Overture
  8. Overture

Tracks:

  1. I: Allegro Non Troppo, Un Poco Maestoso - Christa Ludwig
  2. II: Molto Vivace - Presto - Christa Ludwig
  3. III: Adagio Molto E Cantabile - Andante Moderato - Christa Ludwig
  4. IV: Presto - Recitativo - Allegro Assai - Alla Marcia - Christa Ludwig
  5. Overture - Christa Ludwig

Tracks:

  1. I: Allegro Con Brio
  2. II: Largo
  3. III: Rondo: Allegro Scherzando
  4. I: Allegro Con Brio
  5. II: Adagio
  6. III: Rondo: Molto Allegro

Tracks:

  1. I: Allegro Con Brio
  2. II: Largo
  3. III: Rondo: Allegro
  4. I: Allegro Moderato
  5. II: Andante Con Moto
  6. III: Rondo: Vivace

Tracks:

  1. Fantasia For Piano, Chorus And Orchestra
  2. I: Allegro
  3. II: Adagio Un Poco Mosso -
  4. III: Rondo: Allegro

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Otto Klemperer's Beethoven is one of the towering achievements in the history of recordings. By today's standards, these performances are hopelessly old-fashioned: dark, heavy, and frequently very slow. But they are also the grandest, most unsentimental, most purposeful versions in the catalog. In addition, the relatively slow tempos (only in the fast movements--the slow ones are pretty swift) and forward wind balance permit more detail to be heard than in most original-instrument performances. At budget price and with the entire piano concerto cycle thrown in for good measure, this is greatness incarnate. --David Hurwitz

Customer Reviews:

5 out of 5 stars Great Performance.......2007-07-07

There are many different ways to perform Beethoven and each one is valid.
If you like it fast - go to Toscanini or Norrington. If you prefer slow, powerful and majestic, this is your set. Towards the end of his distinguished career, the great Otto Klemperer set down his final views of the performance of these symphonnies. The set is a coherent whole and will give great pleasure for ever. The challenging mix of the young Barenboim and the aged Klemperer worked surprisingly well and thus the concertos may also be recommended. There are odd additional items which add to the pleasure. Finally do not forget to purchase his memorable set of 'Fidelio' to complete your traversal of a great conductor giving great performances of a composer that he loved. Finally the price is ridiculously low and provides quality and quantity at a great price. Thus you should be able to buy the opera set from the savings made!

4 out of 5 stars Great Analog Beethoven Cycle.......2007-05-07

This Klemperer cycle is just one of a dozen or so GREAT analog Beethoven symphony cycles that were recorded during Analog's golden age starting about 1958. These cycles are easily a match for digital and they should still be around for another 1,000 years, if the Lord tarries. These sets include: Karajan (twice, early 60s and late 70s) Bohm, Krips, Jochum, Bruno Walter, Leinsdorf, Rene Leibowitz, Szell, Ormandy, Bernstein, Steinberg, and Solti. This morning I listened to the Klemperer recordings of Beethoven's symphonies 5, 6, & 7. Very enjoyable, I got my Beethoven RDA fix.

Of all these Analog sets, I most enjoy the Leibowitz Spring 1961 cycle with the Royal Philharmonic. I have this cycle on an audiophile early 90s European import Edition Phoenix label special pressing "on extra virgin vinyl." These are by far the best analog symphonic lps I have ever heard from a recording standpoint. BY FAR! And they will rock your house.

You can almost justify Karajan's 4 recorded Beethoven cycles and one video based upon improvements in recording technology. Thru Rhapsody, I have listened to his mid 50s cycle and the orchestra sounds great, but the recording quality is sub par compared to Analog's golden age. So the rational for 4 cycles would be, (1) recent great improvements in recording technology (early 60s), (2) it has been 15 years and he has grown as an artist (late 70s), (3) we now have digital! Let's do one of the first Beethoven digital cycles (80s).

Klemperer is a no-brainer. I do not have to think twice about plopping one of his lps onto my turntable or hitting the play button at Rhapsody. When the music starts, the listening pleasure begins. Don't miss his Bruckner symphony recordings!

5 out of 5 stars An essential collection.......2007-04-25

How best to describe Otto Klemperer's perspective on Beethoven's symphonies: grand, heroic, intense, insightful, stubborn, obstinate, detailed, dramatic, monumental, granitic, deeply emotional, never sentimental. This boxed set of the complete symphonies and concerti embodies all of these elements as stands as one of the great achievements of recorded music.

These performances were recorded with the Philharmonia Orchestra at its peak, in the sumptuous acoustics of Kingsway Hall in London and in fine and detailed sound, and mostly in the mid-1950's during one of the brief charmed periods of Klemperer's life. EMI's impresario Walter Legge had made him permanent conductor of the Philharmonia, and when Klemperer embarked on this project in his 70's, he was in relatively good mental and physical health (Klemperer could show symptoms of manic depression and survived many health crises - brain tumor, broken bones, paralysis - which would have stopped most people).

By this time Klemperer had slowed the tempi of the fast movements of the Beethoven symphonies (listen to his early 1950's recordings of the 5th and 6th on Vox to hear by how much). This tendency is more pronounced in these studio recordings than in the live performances which were recorded during that era. The slowness is mostly saved by Klemperer's use of "sprung" rhythms, which keep the slow tempi from feeling laggardly.

Klemperer's earliest recordings in this series - symphonies 3, 5 and 7 - predate stereo and were recorded in excellent monaural sound. He rerecorded all three of these symphonies in stereo, but those recordings were made after he burned himself by falling asleep while smoking in bed. All three performances feature slower tempi than the earlier ones (whether this was the conductor's preference or the result of physical incapacity is open to conjecture). In particular, the rerecorded 7th suffered from lax phrasing, inattentiveness and perverse tempi. That is NOT the version contained in this set: fortunately, EMI had simultaneously recorded the earlier version of the 7th in "experimental" stereo, and it is that earlier version which is released here (and in remarkably good stereo). The versions of the 3rd and 5th are the rerecorded stereo ones.

You will find no finer studio versions of the 2nd, 4th, 6th, 7th or 8th. All are insightful, beautifully detailed and powerful. The 2nd clearly looks forward to the 3rd and not back toward Hayden, the 4th is boisterous and vital, the 6th bucolic and sumptuous (not a quality normally associated with Klemperer), the 7th gains in drama what it loses in swiftness and lightness, and in the 8th in particular we see the conductor's empathy to Beethoven's sense of humor. Klemperer had a deep affinity for the "Eroica", and the rerecorded version here, while slower than the 1955 recording, was dubbed by "High Fidelity"'s Harris Goldsmith (no Klemperer fan, he) as "the best Eroica going slow" and is a monumental masterpiece (the second movement is shattering). The 1st, while leisurely, is a lovingly crafted.

That leaves the 5th and 9th. There is no doubt in my mind that the earlier, mono 5th is superior to the remake in this set. We lose that sense of an inevitable onslaught, especially in the outer movements. And the 9th, while similar in conception to the live versions recorded around the same time (on Testament with the Philharmonia and on Music&Arts with the Concertgebouw), suffers from diffuse sound and occasional lack of focus. I emphasize that these recordings of both symphonies are still head and shoulders above most of the competition; we're talking about different levels of greatness here.

Are there superior Klemperer recordings of these symphonies? Yes; but all are live, and despite the relatively good reprocessed sound, they don't reveal the same level of detail that these studio recordings do. Klemperer was a very different conductor in front of an audience, and there is more vitality and drama in the live versions of the 3rd (Testament, with the Danish Symphony), 6th 7th and 8th (Music&Arts with the Concertgebouw) and the 9th (see above). Music&Arts' set of the complete symphonies, recorded live in Vienna in 1960, is long out of print and had cramped sound with poor detail - a supplement to this set, not a replacement.

As to the piano concerti: they are better than one might expect. Barenboim, although steeped in the Germanic performance tradition, is more naturally aligned with the Furtwangler and Edwin Fischer than with Klemperer. However, the two of them actually work together extremely well and this is a fine, insightful set.

Any complete cycle of Beethoven, symphonies or concerti, will have drawbacks. There will be unevenness in the performances, as there are here. But there are advantages to hearing one musician's perspective on the works, especially when (as here) the performer has depth of understanding, integrity of vision, and a structural understanding of the pieces.

The digital remastering is excellent and the sound barely shows its age. This may not be your only complete set of Beethoven's symphonies, but it should be one of them. And at a price this low, it's a bargain too.

5 out of 5 stars The best value in classical music on CD at the moment..........2007-01-02

What is the best value in classical discs available today ? Who knows, but I defy anyone to beat the EMI compilation of Klemperer' recordings of the complete Beethoven Symphonies, Piano Concertos (with Barenboim), several overtures the Choral Fantasia etc etc. 9 discs for only $44 ( well that was the price I paid). You have got to be kidding... I only had two concerns with buying this. First on the age of the recordings, all more than 40 years old. No worry at all. This is a masterpiece of reconstruction. The sound quality indistinguishable from any modern recording. Secondly , the performances themselves. I had been warned that Klemperer notoriously chose rather slow tempi. Again I needn't have worried. I immediately went to the slow movements of the 2nd piano concerto and the fourth symphony, where many slow tempists have in the past come unstuck. The piano concerto was an absolute revelation. The combination of the youthful Barenboim and the Philharmonia's masterful playing time and gain had me on the edge of my seat. " Yes,go on, well...." Slow it may have been. Boring, never. The same applies in spades to the slow movement of the fourth. Right from the eerie opening, which is yes, very slow indeed, I knew this movement would be a revelation and I can honestly say I have never hear it better played. Follow this with a scherzo bounding in energy and thumping finale and you will never get a better performance of this, one of Beethoven's "lesser" symphonies. And I haven't even got round to the "biggies" yet! The box set looks unattractive and the portrait of Klemperer makes him appear a first class nerd. Pay absolutely no attention to this....

4 out of 5 stars Wonderful Performances.......2006-04-07

I have admittedly not made it through the entire set as of yet, but feel sufficiently blown away by the First Symphony and the Eroica - particularly the second movement of the latter - to weigh in here. With respect to the tempo issue, I must - at least so far - argue in favor of Klemperer's decision to slow things down a bit. I think the effect is, as someone else has observed, a clearer and more visceral experience of Beethoven's composition. It brings out the feeling. The sound comes up a little short on the low end, but it isn't a major distraction. My only problem lies in EMI's inexplicable lack of any discussion of the performances. The notes are bland, dry descriptions of the pieces themselves, with some basic history thrown in. Given the fact that there are probably hundreds of different CDs of Beethoven's symphonies out there, all with similar explanatory notes, it is infuriating that nothing is said about these particular performances. This is in contrast with the EMI Bach set (with Yehudi Menuhin) in which there is a wonderful essay that discusses Menuhin's work in historical context.
Beethoven's Wig, Vol. 2: More Sing-Along Symphonies
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Beethoven's Wig, Vol. 2: More Sing-Along Symphonies

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ASIN: B0001I2C8O
Release Date: 2004-03-16

Tracks:

  1. Stuck In The Saddle Again (Light Cavalry March, Suppe)
  2. Sing Verdi Very Loud (La donna e mobile, from Rigoletto, Verdi)
  3. Its The Same Every Verse (In The Hall of The Mountain King, from Peer Gynt Suite, Grieg)
  4. Musical Bs (Hungarian Dance #5, Brahms)
  5. Dont Play That Violin (Violin Concerto #2, Paganini)
  6. Schuberts Trout (Trout Quintet, Schubert)
  7. Dvorak The Czechoslovak (Humoresque #7, Dvorak)
  8. A Fan of Chopin (Prelude 7, Op. 28, Chopin)
  9. Please Do Not Tease The Viennese (Blue Danube Waltz, Strauss)
  10. Its Spring! (Spring, from The Four Seasons, Vivaldi)
  11. Wow What a Wedding Cake (Wedding March, from A Midsummer Nights Dream,. Mendelssohn)
  12. Instrumental Performances:
  13. Light Cavalry March, Suppe
  14. La donna e mobile, from Rigoletto, Verdi (with vocals)
  15. In The Hall of The Mountain King, from Peer Gynt Suite, Grieg
  16. Hungarian Dance #5, Brahms
  17. Violin Concerto #2, Paganini
  18. Trout Quintet, Schubert
  19. Humoresque #7, Dvorak
  20. Prelude 7, Op. 28, Chopin
  21. Blue Danube Waltz, Strauss
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Amazon.com

From a pure-pleasure standpoint, the first Beethoven's Wig was nothing to flip over, and the second disc in the series follows suit. However, that is not to say that this is not a valuable and possibly ingenious record. Those unfamiliar with the premise will quickly get the picture: Producer/writer/lead singer/chief clever guy Richard Perlmutter gathers a bundle of important classical works (Paganini's "Violin Concerto #2," Strauss' "Blue Danube Waltz") and makes up silly, catchy lyrics to lay over them, informing the listener about the piece or its composer. Standing out for their offbeat brilliance this time are "Dvorak the Czechoslovak" ("Humoresque #7," Dvorak) and "Wow What a Wedding Cake" (Wedding March from A Midsummer Night's Dream, Mendelssohn). Few stabs at mixing education with entertainment succeed so well. As a bonus, the second half of the CD repeats the symphonies straight up, presenting a neat opportunity to quiz kids 5-12 on what and who they've just heard. --Tammy La Gorce

Customer Reviews:

5 out of 5 stars Greatest baby gift ever.......2007-03-15

Both of my grandchildren (and their parents and grandparents) are hooked on this CD and all of the silliness and beauty it brings into our lives. We sing to it, dance to it, and find ourselves thinking about it at odd times. Who can't love singing Verdi VERY LOUD? I've now started giving this as a simple baby gift, especially to those with older siblings. They are already equipped with clothing and nursery gear, and Beethoven's Wig invites the whole family to gather round...even if it is just on short car rides.

5 out of 5 stars Great for the whole family.......2007-01-04

My husband, 18 month old daughter and I all love this CD. It's a staple in the car. One caveat- these lyrics will get stuck in your head and I now find myself singing the "words" to these songs when I hear them in a store or commercial! I'm hoping this means my daughter will recognize these songs as she gets older.

5 out of 5 stars More Great Fun.......2006-03-13

Like the first volume, this CD encourages young children to enjoy classical music. The silly lyrics sometimes impart factual information on the composer or the piece. There are 11 sing-along symphonies and then the 11 symphonies are replayed without the lyrics--total of 22 tracks. Booklet with lyrics and trivia is included. All our children (aged 2-12) enjoy this CD, as do we.

5 out of 5 stars One is better but this is still awesome!! Gotta have it!.......2006-01-10

My children loved Beethovens Wig 1. I checked this one out at the library. Then, we decided we had to have this one too.
Yes, one is the best but 2 is still wonderful.
Save yourself the shipping and order both at the same time.
We all thoroughly enjoy it. My 4 yr old can name these classicals when he hears them elsewhere and he can hum these beautiful songs. Much better than kiddie rhymes and Disney jingles. Culture your children the funniest way!!

5 out of 5 stars Absolute joy, and endless fun!.......2005-11-15

The tunes and word stay with you and before you know it, you are signing them along. My two kids (ages 9 and 7) ask me to put the CD on as soon as we get into the car. What a wonderful and fun way to get them to love classical music!
Beethoven Collection: Symphonies Nos. 1-9, Complete Recording (Box Set)
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Beethoven Collection: Symphonies Nos. 1-9, Complete Recording (Box Set)

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ASIN: B000001VVY
Release Date: 1990-10-25

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 5 Op. 67 C Minor: Allegro con brio
  2. Symphony No. 5 Op. 67 C Minor: Andante con motto
  3. Symphony No. 5 Op. 67 C Minor: Scherzo - Allegro
  4. Symphony No. 5 Op. 67 C Minor: Finale - Allegro
  5. Symphony No. 4 Op. 60 B Flat Major: Adagio - Allegro vivace
  6. Symphony No. 4 Op. 60 B Flat Major: Adagio
  7. Symphony No. 4 Op. 60 B Flat Major: Menuetto, Allegro vivace Trio: un poco meno allegro
  8. Symphony No. 4 Op. 60 B Flat Major: Allegro ma non troppo

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 3 Op. 55 E Flat Major, 'Eroica': Allegro con brio
  2. Symphony No. 3 Op. 55 E Flat Major, 'Eroica': Marcia funebre. Adagio assai
  3. Symphony No. 3 Op. 55 E Flat Major, 'Eroica': Scherzo-Allegro vivace
  4. Symphony No. 3 Op. 55 E Flat Major, 'Eroica': Finale-Allegro molto
  5. Symphony No. 8 Op. 93 F Major: Allegro vivace e con brio
  6. Symphony No. 8 Op. 93 F Major: Allegretto scherzando
  7. Symphony No. 8 Op. 93 F Major: Tempo di menuetto
  8. Symphony No. 8 Op. 93 F Major: Allegro vivace

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 6 Op. 68 F Major: Allegro ma non troppo
  2. Symphony No. 6 Op. 68 F Major: Andante molto mosso
  3. Symphony No. 6 Op. 68 F Major: Allegro
  4. Symphony No. 6 Op. 68 F Major: Allegro
  5. Symphony No. 6 Op. 68 F Major: Allegretto
  6. Symphony No. 2 Op. 36 D Major: Adagio molto - Allegro con brio
  7. Symphony No. 2 Op. 36 D Major: Larghetto
  8. Symphony No. 2 Op. 36 D Major: Scherzo Allegro
  9. Symphony No. 2 Op. 36 D Major: Allegro molto

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 7 Op. 92 A Major: Poco sostenuto - vivace
  2. Symphony No. 7 Op. 92 A Major: Allegretto
  3. Symphony No. 7 Op. 92 A Major: Presto - Assai meno presto
  4. Symphony No. 7 Op. 92 A Major: Allegro con brio
  5. Symphony No. 1 Op. 21 C Major: Adagio molto - Allegro con brio
  6. Symphony No. 1 Op. 21 C Major: Andante cantabile con moto
  7. Symphony No. 1 Op. 21 C Major: Menuetto (Allegro molto e vivace)
  8. Symphony No. 1 Op. 21 C Major: Finale Adagio - Allegro molto e vivace

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 9 Op. 125 In D Minor: Allegro ma non troppo, un poco maestoso - Beethoven
  2. Symphony No. 9 Op. 125 In D Minor: Molto vivace - Beethoven
  3. Symphony No. 9 Op. 125 In D Minor: Adagio molto e cantabile - Beethoven
  4. Symphony No. 9 Op. 125 In D Minor: Presto - Allegro assai - Beethoven

Customer Reviews:

5 out of 5 stars Beethoven Collection.......2007-05-14

I just got this for my brother-in-law as a gift and he loves it!

5 out of 5 stars Amazing!.......2007-01-24

Having Beethoven's Symphonies in one, very affordable, set is heaven! The recordings are clear and crisp. Each symphony is truly a masterpiece from the very soft tones of the woodwinds to the thundering sounds of horns. It is amazing to listen to certain passages of Beethoven and realize the genius and otherworldliness of his talent.

5 out of 5 stars An excellent introduction to beethoven's symphonies........2007-01-11

The sound is excellent, and the musicianship and conducting is excellent.

5 out of 5 stars Beethoven Collection.......2006-07-23

Beethoven is my favorite composer. No matter how upset or tired I am, his music calms me down, just like a big, gentle hug.
But the cheap CDs have poor quality. And the good ones are too expensive for me. When I found this collection, with such a good price on Amazon.com, I couldn't believe it. Shortly after I purchased it, I received it. The quality is great. I am enjoying it. Thank you

Hoda

5 out of 5 stars Top music!.......2006-07-19

Everything else you can get over, but classical music like Beethoven is stuff you just can't get sick of. A whole collection of Beethoven's Symphonies for such a small price, Wow!. Classical music is so relaxing and peaceful that you can't go wrong with spending time chillin out to this pure classic. The symphonies are great but after this you've got to go get the sonata's etc and I guarantee you won't be dissapointed!

Think about it, they don't call it classical for nothing.
Beethoven: The 9 Symphonies (Collectors Edition)
Average customer rating: 4 out of 5 stars
  • Surprisingly tame Beethoven from a great conductor
  • Just Super
  • scratches easily
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  • Bedrock stuff
Beethoven: The 9 Symphonies (Collectors Edition)

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ASIN: B0001WGDX0
Release Date: 2004-05-11

Customer Reviews:

3 out of 5 stars Surprisingly tame Beethoven from a great conductor.......2007-07-21

The tameness of this Beethoven cycle from Bernstein and the Vienna Phil. was deliberate, I suspect. The conductor had already made a massive-sounding cycle in New York with the Philharmonic, and he apparently wanted to hear these works slimmed down, fleet, and classically inclined in Vienna. Even understanding the rationale, there are moments when the readings come close to being either tepid or ordinary. The VPO sounds lovely, and DG has improved on the original thin sonics from the LP era. But I can't square these cautious performances with the free-wheeling and inspired Bernstein I love. If you play any single movement side by side with, say, Riccardo Muti's middle-of-the-raod cycle from Philadelphia on a bargain EMI line, it's hard to tell where Muti ends and Bernstein begins. (Joining Muti and Bernstein, another firebrand conductor, Solti, also tended toward tameness when it came to Beethoven.)

I see that the reviewers here are sharply divided between champsions and naysayers. I'm not completey disappointed. The smaller, more graceful symphonies (#1, #2, #4, #8) are the best in the cycle, largely thanks to the orchestra's elegant execution. Of the heroic symphonies, the Fifth is dull, the Eroica and Seventh are better but by no means inspired, and the Ninth comes the closest to making one sit up and take notice. LB made a specialty of this work, but his three official versions don't really capture the magic. This one comes closest, and I much prefer it to the emotional wallow that LB indulged in with his famous "Ode to Freedom" performance at the Berlin Wall after it fell in 1989.

As for the reviewers here who heap superlatives on this set, I can't come close to agreeing, and I am a Bernstein fan par excellence.

5 out of 5 stars Just Super.......2007-06-10

This a great collection, and Bernstein displays all his usual expressiveness. I'm sorry, Eroica is not at all boring. It is fantastic!

3 out of 5 stars scratches easily.......2007-05-31

I don't have a problem with the quality of the recordings but has anyone else noticed if the disks scratch easily? I have about three of them now that are scratched up pretty badly. Or maybe I don't take care of my CD's like I should.

5 out of 5 stars Bernstein is gone, but thankfully, his music is not.......2007-05-15

Bernstein is one of my favorite conductors and this set is another reason why! For live recordings they really sparkle (like the ghost of Walt Disney was up in the sound booth). The cellos and bass with their gritty tone come thru loud and clear and it almost seems like they are in my living room, not coming out my speakers. The same for the flutes, even the low parts.

I thought the first symphony was a bit average and dragged a little, but still very enjoyable. Beethoven's 3rd and 7th were the two symphonies I was slow in warming up to. Now I wonder what was wrong with me! Bernstein really nails the 3rd symphony! WOW! The 2nd and 5th are paired on disc two. I have always liked this pairing since the 2nd reminds me so much of number 5. I had my musical moment during symphonies 3, 2, and 5. The last movement of number five, what JOY of life! The 6th is played serenely and very beautifully.

Some Beethoven symphony performances seem to bring out the majesty of the music while others the thunder and excitement. Bernstein nails both of these features, especially in symphyony 5 and the musicians play with such warmth and joy. Don't miss the JOY in Beethoven's music. Even with his loss of hearing, Beethoven did not loose hope, nor the joy of life and this comes through with great passion in these symphonies. "The last enemy to be destroyed will be death." "katepothe ha thanatos eis nikos" Death will be swallowed up in victory.

5 out of 5 stars Bedrock stuff.......2007-02-21

I couldn't live without recordings of classical music, but please, somebody shoot me if I ever get as snobbish as some of the reviewers nitpicking this box set. The sound quality is excellent. (These symphonies were all recorded live in concert, so the performances truly breathe.) The interpretations are, to my ear, deeply considered and extremely moving, especially the second movement of the Seventh. And best of all, you can't beat the price (and this is Deutsche Grammaphone we're talking about, usually the most expensive pressings). So if you know some person, young or old, who wants to know where to start with building a classical collection, get them this set as a gift. How can you not like this music?
Beethoven: The Nine Symphonies
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Beethoven: The Nine Symphonies
Ludwig van Beethoven , David Zinman , and Zurich Tonhalle Orchestra
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ASIN: B00000IFP6
Release Date: 1999-04-27

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 1 In C Major, Op. 21: I. Adagio molto - L.V. Beethoven
  2. Symphony No. 1 In C Major, Op. 21: II. Andante cantabile con moto - L.V. Beethoven
  3. Symphony No. 1 In C Major, Op. 21: III. Menuetto - L.V. Beethoven
  4. Symphony No. 1 In C Major, Op. 21: IV. Adagio - Allegro molto e vivace - L.V. Beethoven
  5. Symphony No. 2 In D Major, Op. 36: I. Adagio molto - L.V. Beethoven
  6. Symphony No. 2 In D Major, Op. 36: II. Larghetto - L.V. Beethoven
  7. Symphony No. 2 In D Major, Op. 36: III. Scherzo. Allegro - L.V. Beethoven
  8. Symphony No. 2 In D Major, Op. 36: IV. Allegro molto - L.V. Beethoven

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No.3 In E Flat Major Op.55: I. Allegro con brio - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  2. Symphony No.3 In E Flat Major Op.55: II. Marcia funebre - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  3. Symphony No.3 In E Flat Major Op.55: III. Scherzo - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  4. Symphony No.3 In E Flat Major Op.55: Finale - Allegro molto - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  5. Symphony No.4 In B FLat Major Op.60: I. Adagio - Allegro vivace - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  6. Symphony No.4 In B FLat Major Op.60: II. Adagio - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  7. Symphony No.4 In B FLat Major Op.60: III. Allegro vivace - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  8. Symphony No.4 In B FLat Major Op.60: IV. Allegro ma non troppo - Ludwig Van Beethoven

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 5 In C Minor Op.67: I. Allegro con brio - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  2. Symphony No. 5 In C Minor Op.67: II. Andante con moto - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  3. Symphony No. 5 In C Minor Op.67: III. Allegro - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  4. Symphony No. 5 In C Minor Op.67: IV. Allegro - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  5. Symphony No. 6 In F Major 'Pastorale' Op.68: I. Allegro ma non troppo - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  6. Symphony No. 6 In F Major 'Pastorale' Op.68: II. Andante molto moto - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  7. Symphony No. 6 In F Major 'Pastorale' Op.68: III. Allegro - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  8. Symphony No. 6 In F Major 'Pastorale' Op.68: IV. Allegro - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  9. Symphony No. 6 In F Major 'Pastorale' Op.68: V. Allegretto - Ludwig Van Beethoven

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No.7 In A Major Op.92: I. Poco Sostenuto - Vivace - L.V. Beethoven
  2. Symphony No.7 In A Major Op.92: II. Allegretto - L.V. Beethoven
  3. Symphony No.7 In A Major Op.92: III. Presto - L.V. Beethoven
  4. Symphony No.7 In A Major Op.92: IV. Allegro Con Brio - L.V. Beethoven
  5. Symphony No. 8 In F Major Op.93: I. Allegro Vivace E Con Brio - L.V. Beethoven
  6. Symphony No. 8 In F Major Op.93: II. Allegretto Scherzando - L.V. Beethoven
  7. Symphony No. 8 In F Major Op.93: III. Tempo Di Menuetto - L.V. Beethoven
  8. Symphony No. 8 In F Major Op.93: IV. Allegro Vivace - L.V. Beethoven

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 9 In D Minor Op.125: I. Allegro Ma Non Troppo - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  2. Symphony No. 9 In D Minor Op.125: II. Molto Vivace - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  3. Symphony No. 9 In D Minor Op.125: III. Adagio Molto E Cantabile - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  4. Symphony No. 9 In D Minor Op.125: IV. Presto - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  5. Symphony No. 9 In D Minor Op.125: V. Allegro Assai Vivace Marcia-End - Ludwig Van Beethoven
  6. Symphony No. 9 In D Minor Op.125: VI. Allegro Assai Vivace Marcia-End Beethoven's Original - Ludwig Van Beethoven

Amazon.com essential recording

If you're looking for a real bargain set of Beethoven's complete symphonies, look no further. David Zinman leads the Tonhalle Orchestra Zurich through the big nine. Unconventional--this is the world-premiere, modern-instrument recording of the New Barenreiter Edition (translation: slight variations in the scoring)--and with Zinman's typically fast tempos, these are spirited, though probably not definitive, performances. Herbert Von Karajan's 1963 cycle of Beethoven's symphonies must still be considered the essential versions and, costing only 10 dollars more than this set, it's just as much of a bargain. But, for Beethoven lovers on a tight budget, folks looking to add one more Beethoven cycle to their music library, or experts who want to hear what the fuss of the Barenreiter Edition is about, this set shouldn't be passed up. Zinman and Tonhalle have delivered a winner, with excellent sound and a great sticker price. --Jason Verlinde

Customer Reviews:

4 out of 5 stars Fascinating, but mostly just a blueprint.......2007-04-27

Jonathan del Mar, son of Philharmonia Orchestra musician Norman del Mar, spent a great many years working on a "critical edition" of the Beethoven Symphonies using Beethoven's original manuscripts and comparing them, bar-by-bar and note-for-note, with the published editions. The result was the Barenreiter-Edition, first recorded here (and, to my knowledge, ONLY recorded here) by the Zurich Tonhalle Orchestra and conductor David Zinman.

First, let me say that I have only the highest respect for Zinman. He is one of my favorite conductors, and I have long felt that only the lack of a high-powered agent has kept him from being one of the world's best-known podium masters. But in these performances, using the "critical edition" as a sort of leash, there is little or no rubato at all, except for some very, very subtle modifications in the Adagios and in the Allegretto finale of the Sixth Symphony. Otherwise, this is Beethoven in VERY strict tempos, and I do mean strict: the tenor solo of the Ninth is taken at such a clip that it's difficult to imagine any other tenor, in live performance, agreeing to be subjected to it. The oft-maligned Toscanini sounds like a mere snail in comparison.

Nevertheless, there are some good things and good performances. Despite a second-movement "Andante cantabile con moto" taken at an incredibly brisk "con moto," his reading of the First Symphony is supremely satisfying, the best I have heard since Munch and Toscanini. His "Eroica" completely vindicates the Toscanini approach as every single movement is taken quicker than the Italian Maestro did it (the second movement "Marcia funebre" at least six per cent quicker), and I was surprised to hear the famous Trio taken with a repeat. His Fourth is the most satisfying reading since the 1939 Toscanini broadcast, and his Sixth has the most ingratiating "At the brook" and "Joyous merrymaking after the storm" since the equally old 1939 Toscanini-BBC Symphony recording. (Herbert von Karajan, in his last Beethoven symphony cycle, also took the Sixth at written pace but with a much stiffer, less flexible rhythm, which nullified its pastoral effects.) In addition, I heard little turns in the wind instruments in the first movement that are not evident, or at least not as cleanly played, in any other recording or performance I've ever heard.

Yet, as an overall set of the Nine, it remains a learning device for burgeoning conductors and not an edition that one will turn to time and time again for interpretive inspiration. For this I do not particularly blame Zinman, who was making a point, but he could have and should have "lived" with these new scores for a few years, modified his interpretations somewhat, and THEN have recorded his mature, seasoned reflections on them. Also, and I hate to be the one to carp about this, but WHY are the vocal soloists in practically every Ninth Symphony since Karajan's last one simply horrible?? Zinman is scarcely alone here: Haitink, Dohnanyi, Robert Shaw and anyone else of worth also have woefully inadequate singers on their Ninths. But of course, I happen to be very particular about singers anyway, so my favorite Beethoven Ninths are always defined by both the conducting and the vocal quartet, my picks being Toscanini 1939 (Novotna, Thorborg, Peerce, Moscona), Schmidt-Isserstedt 1967 (Sutherland, Horne, King, Talvela) and Karajan 1977 (Tomowa-Sintow, Baltsa, Schreier and Van Dam). I exclude 1952 Toscanini, even though his quartet was wonderful, simply because I have always been uncomfortable with his pacing and phrasing on that particular Ninth (no, it's not too fast, on the contrary, it's the slowest of all his Ninths, but the music just doesn't flow - everything sounds "vertically" phrased.)

Anyway, those are my thoughts regarding this set. I don't think you'll find finer modern (within the last thirty years) performances of the First, Third, Fourth or Sixth anywhere, but I prefer Karajan's 1977 readings of the Second, Seventh and Ninth, and his 1983 version3 of the Fifth and Eighth.

5 out of 5 stars ONE OF THE VERY BEST.......2007-04-07

One man's view:
Amazing! Every one of these is full of energy, joy and "snap." The sense of exuberance makes all a pleasure. I like the peppy tempos here, the lack of passivity all the way. (Also it's the deal of a lifetime on the price.)
--check out Solti too, Very fine. More weight.
--also Szell.
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--P.S. - check out O'Conor and Arrau on the LVB complete piano sonatas. Beyond belief!
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5 out of 5 stars No More Excuses.......2007-02-27

I love it! Zinman and the Tonhalle Orchestra Zurich have shattered the myths that Beethoven's metronome markings had to be a mistake, or that original instruments are needed to adhere to them. This is a truly remarkable set, outstanding from beginning to end and delivered with studied energy, irresistible momentum, plenty of lyricism, and abiding good humor. I would describe this Beethoven as earthy (in a romantic, anti-aristocratic, folk-dance kind of way) and wiry (small, but exceedingly strong). One can hear and appreciate all the subtleties of the orchestration and all the lines of attack without ever losing touch with melody and cadence. Plenty of personality, too: I can listen to these performances and, occasionally at least, imagine Beethoven giving the finger to the powdered-wig crowd.

This is Beethoven at his best and most accessible: never sentimental, stodgy, puffed-up, or blown out of proportion, and always thoughtfully energetic! Very enthusiastically recommended!

PS: Read Peter J. Lawson's online review for MusicWeb International for more detail. He paints a better picture than I could ever hope to. I disagree with him in his faint praise for the fifth, however.

5 out of 5 stars Probably the best cycle on the market.......2006-05-17

I love this set.
Brisk tempi, good detailed sound, fine orchestral playing, lean and transparent, but powerful etc.

However: I must confess that the performances lack something:
If you listen to the 3rd symphony, without ever heard the rest of Zinman's performances, you'll pretty much get an idea of what the 5th or 7th is gonna sound like...it's a matter of how you look at things: you could say Zinman is consistent in his interpretations or you could say his performances lack character, a personal touch, everything is handled the same way.

For me his choice of tempi are spot on, I agree with them and the orchestral playing is refined without being too polished...although sometimes I wished it to be a bit rougher, like Savall in Beethovens 3rd for instance.
The 3rd is given an excellent performance, but in comparison with Savall without an edge and maybe "heart".
In Savalls 3rd you'll hear an involvement with the music, kinda as if Savall never heard Beethovens 3rd in his life before and is now obsessed with the music, there's so much tension, spirit and involvement in his reading.
Zinman plays it how it should be played, but nothing more...

The 7th is excellent, but there's a lack of lower strings and bass.
etc etc.

Overall this set is really very very good, for me these recordings are my (personal) reference performances..but not necessarily my favorite performances of each individual symphony.

5 out of 5 stars Beethoven Rediscovered!!!!!.......2005-10-22

I was curious to listen to David Zinman and the Zurich Orchestra after all I had read in the CD guide books and magazines. This is my sixth full cycle (Karajan 1963 and 1977, Klemperer,Bernstein/VPO and Toscanini) and these days is definetely my favourite. Zinman brings new life to the symphonies- period. The Barenreiter edition may play a role in the freshness of the music but the passion of maestro and orchestra makes you feel as if you are present in the music hall, being a spectator of a live performance.
The first symphonies were the greatest surprise for me, and I can now see the maturation of Beethoven, where as the older approaches interepreted these pieces as small "Eroicas". There is no doubt there are better interepretations of individual symphonies out there - ex. Carlos Kleiber on the 5th, Klemperer on the "Eroica"-old style or Furtwangler on the 1952 recording of the "Choral" - but this fact can not overshadow what I find as an excellent set at a great price.
Beethoven: The 9 Symphonies / Gardiner
Average customer rating: 4.5 out of 5 stars
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Beethoven: The 9 Symphonies / Gardiner
Orchestre Revolutionnaire et Romantique , John Eliot Gardiner , Anthony Rolfe Johnson , Gilles Cachemaille , The Monteverdi Choir , Anne Sofie von Otter , and Luba Orgonasova
Manufacturer: Archiv Produktion
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ASIN: B0000057EO
Release Date: 1994-09-20

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 1 In C Major, Op. 21: 1. Adagio molto - Allegro con brio
  2. Symphony No. 1 In C Major, Op. 21: 2. Andante cantibile con moto
  3. Symphony No. 1 In C Major, Op. 21: 3. Menuetto: Allegro molto e vivace
  4. Symphony No. 1 In C Major, Op. 21: 4. Adagio - Allegro molto e vivace
  5. Symphony No. 2 In D Major, Op. 36: 1. Adagio molto - Allegro con brio
  6. Symphony No. 2 In D Major, Op. 36: 2. Larghetto
  7. Symphony No. 2 In D Major, Op. 36: 3. Scherzo: Allegro
  8. Symphony No. 2 In D Major, Op. 36: 4. Allegro molto

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 3 In E-Flat Major, Op. 55 'Eroica': 1. Allegro con brio
  2. Symphony No. 3 In E-Flat Major, Op. 55 'Eroica': 2. Marcia funebre: Adagio assai
  3. Symphony No. 3 In E-Flat Major, Op. 55 'Eroica': 3. Scherzo: Allegro vivace
  4. Symphony No. 3 In E-Flat Major, Op. 55 'Eroica': 4. Finale: Allegro molto
  5. Symphony No. 4 In B-Flat Major, Op. 60: 1. Adagio - Allegro vivace
  6. Symphony No. 4 In B-Flat Major, Op. 60: 2. Adagio
  7. Symphony No. 4 In B-Flat Major, Op. 60: 3. Allegro vivace
  8. Symphony No. 4 In B-Flat Major, Op. 60: 4. Allegro ma non troppo

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 5 In C Minor, Op. 67: 1. Allegro con bri
  2. Symphony No. 5 In C Minor, Op. 67: 2. Andante con moto
  3. Symphony No. 5 In C Minor, Op. 67: 3. Allegro
  4. Symphony No. 5 In C Minor, Op. 67: 4. Allegro
  5. Symphony No. 6 In F Major, Op. 68 'Pastoral': Allegro ma non troppo: Awakening Of Cheeful Feeling Upon Arrival In The Country
  6. Symphony No. 6 In F Major, Op. 68 'Pastoral': 2. Andante molto mosso: Scene By The Brook
  7. Symphony No. 6 In F Major, Op. 68 'Pastoral': 3. Allegro: Merry Gathering Of Country Folk
  8. Symphony No. 6 In F Major, Op. 68 'Pastoral': 4. Allegro - Thunderstorm
  9. Symphony No. 6 In F Major, Op. 68 'Pastoral': 5. Allegretto: Shepherd's Song: Happy And Thankful Feelings After The Storm

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 7 In A Minor, Op. 92: 1. Poco sostenuto - Vivace
  2. Symphony No. 7 In A Minor, Op. 92: 2. Allegretto
  3. Symphony No. 7 In A Minor, Op. 92: 3. Presto
  4. Symphony No. 7 In A Minor, Op. 92: 4. Allegro con brio
  5. Symphony No. 8 In F Major, Op. 93: 1. Allegro vivace e con brio
  6. Symphony No. 8 In F Major, Op. 93: 2. Allegretto scherzando
  7. Symphony No. 8 In F Major, Op. 93: 3. Tempo di Menuetto
  8. Symphony No. 8 In F Major, Op. 93: 4. Allegro vivace

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 9 In D Minor, Op. 125: 1. Allegro ma non troppo, un poco maestoso
  2. Symphony No. 9 In D Minor, Op. 125: 2. Molto vivace
  3. Symphony No. 9 In D Minor, Op. 125: 3. Adagio nolto e cantabile
  4. Symphony No. 9 In D Minor, Op. 125: 4. Presto
  5. Symphony No. 9 In D Minor, Op. 125: 4. Presto - 'O Freunde, nicht diese Tone!' - Allegro assai

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  1. English Interview - Beethoven
  2. German Interview - Beethoven
  3. French Interview - Beethoven

Customer Reviews:

2 out of 5 stars Choppy and uneven.......2007-02-26

There must be 2 or 3 dozen good to very good Beethoven symphony cycles floating around. With all the sets floating around, my listening to Beethoven can turn into a critics delight dog and pony show of comparing this set to that. I instead prefer to listen for pleasure and try just to enjoy the music.

The complete Gardiner set is available at Rhapsody and I am glad I got to listen before leaping and buying it. Rhapsody must have several thousand classical lps, many in the budget range, but many just released cds or reissues like EMI's "Great Recordings of the Century." Rhapsody has the recent Beethoven LSO Live minus I think the third, Bruno Walter, and Bernstein with the NYP. They have Karajan's digital from the 80s and his set from the 50s. They have NAXOS, etc. etc. etc. The NAXOS set I suppose falls into the budget category. It is even enjoyable to listen to (after all, Beethoven fairly well played and professionally recoreded is still Beethoven, how do you screw up Beethoven?).

I do not have a for or against opinion on the original instrument movement, I just want the music to rock. In listening to the Gardiner take, the music sounded uneven and choppy. I actually found myself not enjoying Beethoven! Not even the two budget sets I have screw up Beethoven and cause me to not enjoy listening! I had read some of the glowing reviews of Gardiner and found myself scratching my head wondering what they were hearing vs. what I was hearing. On the other hand, the very recent LSO Live sounded wonderful. It remined me of the recent live performances by Abbado and the BPO.

I like Rhapsody because it gives me a chance to listen before making any buying decisions. I have been trying to expand my listening and yesterday tried to listen to Strauss's Salome on Rhapsody. For the most part, I pass on opera because the sopranos often sound like their cat is being strangled and this was my experience with Salome. Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet, on the other hand was enjoyable to listen to. So, if you are not sure what to buy you might give Rhapsody or one of the other online services a try.

5 out of 5 stars The best Beethoven symphonic cycle available at the moment.......2007-02-18

This is the best recording of the symphonies of Beethoven available at the moment. The tempi are right and the orchestra plays with greta skill and fire.

Gardiner did his homework on these works, finding, with the help of a musicologist, the scores of much of Beethoven's music. Who would have ever thought that the first subject of the fifth was plagiarised from a French folk song?

If you're after a good set of the Beethoven symphonies, look no further.

If you like the HIP approach, you may also consider the cycles by Brüggen, Hogwood, Norrington and Goodman. Brüggen's is very strong and Hogwood's was the first cycle on period instruments. Norrington's set follows the metronome markings very closely.

5 out of 5 stars Amazing.......2007-01-02

By my estimation this is the best single cycle of Beethoven symphonies available. Since there are so many great recordings of Symphonies 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, and 9, I won't focus on those as much.

Symphony No. 1 is performed very well. It is taken a bit faster (a general theme of this set) than, say, Karajan, Bernstein or Bohm would take it. This is a good thing.

For Symphony No. 2, I would actually recommend a compliment to this CD. Robert Levin (on the fortepiano) and members of the ORR recorded the chamber version of this work (for piano trio), mostly arranged by Beethoven himself. It is really interesting to contrast the two. I'd recommend that CD as well (it also comes with a piano quartet arrangment [again by Beethoven] of the fourth piano concerto. It is by Achriv Blue).

Symphony No. 3: The DEFINITIVE version of this symphony. Great throughout.

Symphony No. 4: This performance is the reason you should get this set. Symphony No. 4 has been largely ignored in favor of the odd number Symphonies. Here we have the DEFINITIVE, must have performance of this work. The finale is amazing, as is the deep beginning. The work is also the epitome of Beethoven's second style period, from the deep, gloomy beginning to the triumphant, allegro finale (in this performance, their is no "ma non troppo"; it is played more like a slow "presto vivace" than "allegro ma non troppo," which works very well). Great performance.

Symphony No. 5 is also brilliantly played. Among the best recordings of that symphony.

Symphony No. 6: The weak link of the more popular works in this set, though it is still very, very good.

Symphony No. 7: The scherzo here is light and playful. The pavonne second movement is very deep and moving. The finale is very heroic. I really like the sound of the horns; I think they work very well.

Symphony No. 8: Since this one is sandwiched between the great Symphonies No. 7 and 9, I think it has been largely ignored, much like Symphony No. 4 is with 3 and 5. Therefore, see Symphony No. 4.

Symphony No. 9: Where to start? This is THE DEFINITIVE and BEST version of this symphony available. The tempi are much faster than the other great conductors of the 20th century (Karajan, Bohm, Bernstein, Furtwangler, et al). The scherzo is really nice. The biggest difference between the finale of this recordings and the finale of other recordings is the tempo. This is especially evident in the march section. In Karajan and Bohm, it's more of a dirge than a march. Here, the tenor sounds light and easy, whereas in the other versions he (typically) sounds slow and strained.

Overall, this set is well worth owning. You will not be disappointed.

5 out of 5 stars An Outstanding Symphonic Cycle.......2006-12-16

In the December issue of Gramophone playing Beethoven's symphonies in the 21st century was discussed, and among the top five symphony cycles recorded. I grew up listening to the Beethoven symphonies played by modern symphony orchestras so when the period instrument movement came along it was a revelation. John Elliot Gardiner's recordings were made following research that provided greater insight into Beethoven's symphonies and corrected errors that had existed from copyist errors. Mozart took pains to create a final score that would be used by his publisher but Beethoven became lax in making his own final copies, leaving the chore to a copyist who had to deal with a jumble of sketches and completed (but messy) manuscripts. The scores that came to be used by conductors were products of the mid-19th century. So, there are many changes to these scores that can be picked out from other performances and are listed in the booklet.

I recall that when the Gardiner set came out that there were some people, my wife included, who thought they were too fast. Listening to the 9th symphony the first movement is so furiously driven that the tempos sound out of control. The symphony last just under 60 minutes which may sound like a record until one considers that Felix Weingartner (a Beethoven expert) turned in a performance just over 60 minutes. The performances are vibrant and well played, all of them the product of live performances, a few like the 9th were made following a performance. For me the Gardiner cycle has a freshness that while not excluding other recordings (period instrument and modern symphony orchestra) has made this the only complete cycle that I have of the Beethoven symphonies. Perhaps the most telling evidence that Gardiner's approach to Beethoven has been influential is the rethinking of the tempos of the symphonies by conductors like Bernard Haitink. I highly recommend this cycle of symphonies for someone new to Beethoven and those listeners who are familiar with this music.

5 out of 5 stars Excellent.......2005-10-21

Interpretation is in many ways a matter of taste. For example, if Georgy Cziffra were not such a phenomenal pianist, I think several critics would say that his interpretations were not adequate. Because of his absolutely unbeatable technique Cziffra "says": I will play as I would like to play!

I liked Gardiner interpretation of the Beethoven Simphonies. Vigorous, somewhat fast and very well recorded. In 9th simphony I would prefer a slower tempo but this is my opinion.

You should like a song because you really like it and not because some classical music "pundit" says that this is the correct way to play because there is not such a thing. The only person that could have the final word is Ludwig.
Furtwangler Conducts Beethoven - Beethoven: symphonies no 3,4,5, & 9, Leonore
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Release Date: 2006-01-01

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  1. Sym No.5 in c, Op.67: I. Allegro Con Brio

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These may be the most gripping performances of Beethoven's symphonies you'll ever hear. No, not necessarily the most enjoyable or even the most accurate, but gripping--to say the least. In these wartime performances of Symphonies Nos. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 9, Wilhelm Furtwängler is at his most expressive, angry self. Conducting six of the world's greatest symphonies for audiences in Nazi Germany, Furtwängler has an inner turmoil that seems to shoot straight through his baton. He drives the Vienna and Berlin Philharmonics to the edge of disaster, but miraculously they keep up--rising to the occasion. The Eroica and the Ninth are particularly emotion-filled; the latter features the great Bruno Kittel Choir and the BPO in fine form, but they--like everyone else here--are overshadowed by the conductor's bipolar mood swings and furious pacings. Brace yourself. These are shocking, awesome, thought-provoking performances that--thanks to a great remastering--have never sounded better. --Jason Verlinde

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5 out of 5 stars Furtwangler's Beethoven.......2007-04-14

This set belongs next to Schnabel's piano sonatas and the Busch's string quartets as one of the great Beethoven sets in recorded history. There certainly is no better monetary